From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12973: @: overused in manual Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:45:40 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <50B06D14.2070104@cs.ucla.edu> References: <50AFCDA1.8020500@cs.ucla.edu> <831ufjtsrb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353739596 30329 80.91.229.3 (24 Nov 2012 06:46:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 06:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12973@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 24 07:46:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9Vn-000142-H3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:46:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35994 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9Vc-0000Rj-M6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9Va-0000RS-3C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9VZ-0006K6-68 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9VZ-0006K2-2O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:46:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9X0-00024X-E6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:48:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 06:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12973 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 12973-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12973.13537396327898 (code B ref 12973); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 06:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12973) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2012 06:47:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9WB-00023K-Np for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:47:12 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:59188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc9W8-00023B-4m for 12973@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:47:10 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2A4A60023; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:45:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q5FvKVHOLq0n; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:45:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-71-189-154-249.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.154.249]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A99E7A60008; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:45:36 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 In-Reply-To: <831ufjtsrb.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67390 Archived-At: > maybe wait till there is no active branch. Yes, it sounds good to wait. >> Stylistically, I prefer the current form in at least some cases. > Me too (which isn't surprising, since I wrote some of them ;-). I got the suggestion of putting a comma after "i.e." and after "e.g." from RMS, many years ago. RMS's style agrees with that of the Chicago Manual of Style, the Columbia Guide to Standard American English, the Lynch Guide to Grammar, and the Blue Book on Grammar and Punctuation, among others. American style guides seem to prefer the commas almost universally. British guides are not that way (Fowler 3rd, in particular, says to omit comma after i.e.; it says nothing about e.g.). The Emacs manual is written in American English, though, not in British English.