* bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split
@ 2012-11-20 12:42 Vitalie Spinu
2012-11-20 14:19 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Vitalie Spinu @ 2012-11-20 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12943
Hi,
If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help buffer,
but does not switch to it. Same with 2 windows in a frame.
If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This
is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying
problem.
I hope this is not an intended behavior.
Thanks.
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* bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split
2012-11-20 12:42 bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split Vitalie Spinu
@ 2012-11-20 14:19 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-20 14:37 ` Vitalie Spinu
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2012-11-20 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vitalie Spinu; +Cc: 12943
> If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help buffer,
> but does not switch to it. Same with 2 windows in a frame.
>
> If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This
> is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying
> problem.
>
> I hope this is not an intended behavior.
See bug#11039.
martin
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split
2012-11-20 14:19 ` martin rudalics
@ 2012-11-20 14:37 ` Vitalie Spinu
2012-11-20 17:08 ` martin rudalics
2014-12-25 10:54 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Vitalie Spinu @ 2012-11-20 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 12943
>> martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
>> on Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:19:56 +0100 wrote:
>> If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help buffer, but
>> does not switch to it. Same with 2 windows in a frame.
>>
>> If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This
>> is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying
>> problem.
>>
>> I hope this is not an intended behavior.
> See bug#11039.
Hm, the default 'other of help-window-select is inconsistent and aims a
very specific user pattern.
From http://debbugs.gnu.org/db/11/11039.html:
martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at> writes:
> When the help window is one out of three windows on a frame and you do
> _not_ select it, it's quite difficult to restore the state of the frame
> before showing help. You would have to (1) manually switch to the help
> window, (2) type "q" in it, and maybe (3) switch back to the previously
> selected window. If, however, you _do_ select the help window, you can
> simply type "q" in it and get back the old state of affairs.
I might want to keep the help window open for long and keep working on
my code while referencing the help. This is my 99% usage pattern.
Now, when I open the help buffer I have to switch back to my working
window all the way back through 3 other windows. Awful.
Vitalie
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* bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split
2012-11-20 14:37 ` Vitalie Spinu
@ 2012-11-20 17:08 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-20 20:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-25 10:54 ` martin rudalics
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2012-11-20 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vitalie Spinu; +Cc: 12943
> Hm, the default 'other of help-window-select is inconsistent and aims a
> very specific user pattern.
The idea behind the default is:
(1) If the help window is the only other window on the frame, you can
type C-x o q to restore the state before invoking help.
(2) If the help buffer is shown in a third or fourth window, there's no
obvious key sequence to do that. If, however, the help window gets
selected, typing "q" will do.
> I might want to keep the help window open for long and keep working on
> my code while referencing the help. This is my 99% usage pattern.
In this case setting `help-window-select' to nil should do what you
want.
> Now, when I open the help buffer I have to switch back to my working
> window all the way back through 3 other windows. Awful.
If and when we get the C-x 4 prefix working, we can simplify things by
setting C-x 4 q to quit the last window that can be quit. Till then,
customizing `help-window-select' should be an acceptable solution.
martin
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* bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split
2012-11-20 17:08 ` martin rudalics
@ 2012-11-20 20:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2012-11-20 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 12943, Vitalie Spinu
martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> writes:
>> Hm, the default 'other of help-window-select is inconsistent and aims a
>> very specific user pattern.
>
> The idea behind the default is:
>
> (1) If the help window is the only other window on the frame, you can
> type C-x o q to restore the state before invoking help.
>
> (2) If the help buffer is shown in a third or fourth window, there's no
> obvious key sequence to do that. If, however, the help window gets
> selected, typing "q" will do.
FWIW, I strongly prefer the behavior of help-window-select set to t, and
I agree with Vitaly (and Chong, apparently) that the default behavior of
'other seems the least natural.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split
2012-11-20 14:37 ` Vitalie Spinu
2012-11-20 17:08 ` martin rudalics
@ 2014-12-25 10:54 ` martin rudalics
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2014-12-25 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vitalie Spinu; +Cc: 12943-done
> >> If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help buffer, but
> >> does not switch to it. Same with 2 windows in a frame.
> >>
> >> If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This
> >> is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> I hope this is not an intended behavior.
>
> > See bug#11039.
>
> Hm, the default 'other of help-window-select is inconsistent and aims a
> very specific user pattern.
>
> From http://debbugs.gnu.org/db/11/11039.html:
>
> martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at> writes:
>
> > When the help window is one out of three windows on a frame and you do
> > _not_ select it, it's quite difficult to restore the state of the frame
> > before showing help. You would have to (1) manually switch to the help
> > window, (2) type "q" in it, and maybe (3) switch back to the previously
> > selected window. If, however, you _do_ select the help window, you can
> > simply type "q" in it and get back the old state of affairs.
>
>
> I might want to keep the help window open for long and keep working on
> my code while referencing the help. This is my 99% usage pattern.
>
> Now, when I open the help buffer I have to switch back to my working
> window all the way back through 3 other windows. Awful.
The default value of `help-window-select' is now nil on master/trunk.
Closing this bug.
Thanks, martin
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