From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:29 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <50A93485.9070706@cs.ucla.edu> References: <4B9EFDFEE27E43DBB6331605DD7C2842@us.oracle.com> <50A7DB2C.7050501@cs.ucla.edu> <8339082gig.fsf@gnu.org> <50A7E5AB.3040006@cs.ucla.edu> <83zk2g10ew.fsf@gnu.org> <50A800BD.2@cs.ucla.edu> <83d2zb1rqr.fsf@gnu.org> <50A86FE8.4020203@cs.ucla.edu> <83vcd2zv9o.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353266352 23007 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2012 19:19:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 18 20:19:23 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOn-0002of-Vp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:19:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46557 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOd-0005TV-Qz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:19:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48561) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOY-0005SD-TR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:19:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOV-0003Kp-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:19:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOV-0003Kl-Nd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAPS-0004BT-Bq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12911 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12911-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12911.135326636516035 (code B ref 12911); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12911) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2012 19:19:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53265 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOr-0004AZ-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:19:25 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:33854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaAOn-0004AR-Uc for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE303A60003; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRBarVTPa30O; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-71-189-154-249.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.154.249]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4814FA60001; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:18:21 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 In-Reply-To: <83vcd2zv9o.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67133 Archived-At: On 11/18/2012 09:16 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > The issue here is not _whether_ to redirect stderr, > but rather _where_to_ to redirect it. On GNU and Unix hosts, there's no issue. stderr should not be redirected. It never has been redirected, and there's no reason to change. > ... putting that file in ~/.emacs.d/ (also in the home a > directory, so maybe you will still protest) is slightly better. > But if Emacs should do that, it should do it on all the supported > platforms. There's no reason for Emacs to change its behavior on GNUish hosts. People on these hosts are used to the current behavior with stderr. Any problems in this area are limited to Microsoft platforms, and can be solved in a Microsoft-specific way.