From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16407: Info-directory-list should always put this Emacs's info direc first Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:38:56 -0500 Message-ID: <4s4n5cl20f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <838uuocnn9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389339608 12094 80.91.229.3 (10 Jan 2014 07:40:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16407@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 10 08:40:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WhR-0003tp-6Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:40:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55673 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WhQ-00007r-PD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:40:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51996) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WhM-00007A-B2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:40:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WhH-00027n-SC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:40:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WhH-00027O-Pb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WhG-0004g6-EG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:40:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16407 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16407-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16407.138933954817860 (code B ref 16407); Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:40:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2014 07:39:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44672 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WgM-0004dw-2O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:39:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51067) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WgF-0004dM-0x for 16407@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:38:59 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1WgD-00028b-8Z; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:38:57 -0500 X-Spook: Ft. Bragg oil IMF enigma unclassified Albania passwd X-Ran: .9y&YN:Te4s/cN6.m&V)HZqfFZ2:N\<)3q9yQCc|&EB-GTUljQXe"N4n$Ps6H}GeJ8c.(J X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <838uuocnn9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:16:26 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83216 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > That leaves system administrators no means of forcing a specific > version of Info manual to be found by default. That is true, it does not, but only for manuals that come with Emacs. I cannot think of a case where a *sysadmin* would want to force Emacs to prefer some other version of a manual to the one that comes with Emacs. Can you give an example? (And they could always do it with some site-specific elisp if they really wanted to. But I expect it to be very much a fringe case.) > Also, Emacs comes with a few manuals that can have other versions from > elsewhere (like info.info or gnus.info). (IIRC, Karl has stated that he considers Emacs the canonical home for info.info.) By default, Emacs uses the Gnus that comes with Emacs. To get it to use a different Gnus, you have to customize load-path. I do not think it unreasonable that you should have to similarly customize Info-directory-list to get the right manual. > Is this the only situation where the current arrangement doesn't DTRT, > or are there more? If this is the only one, then you cannot solve it > successfully: the Info system simply doesn't support well the use case > where several different manuals have identical names. I don't understand why it cannot be solved successfully by doing what I said. I don't care about seeing multiple versions of the manuals with the same name, I want to see only one version, and I want that version to be the version that comes with Emacs. > What if the user installs newer versions of, say, Gnus or Org from > their respective repositories? See my comment above. (Frankly, I suspect what happens at present in most such cases is that people install the lisp files in their load-path, but do not do anything with INFOPATH, so end up seeing the wrong Info pages anyway.) And note that the Mac platform has already behaved as I request for some years. I don't recall seeing any complaints.