From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20056: 25.0.50; Remove non Common Lisp stuff from cl*.el libraries Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4fd5309f-c0bd-486d-8612-a2f724643a2e@default> References: <54FC9340.2030703@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1425840478 19451 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2015 18:47:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 18:47:58 +0000 (UTC) To: Daniel Colascione , 20056@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 08 19:47:45 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgEq-0002sQ-IR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:47:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40131 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgEp-0001qI-UL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:47:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgEE-0001Eq-Lq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgEB-0006ry-8v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:47:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgEB-0006ru-5c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgEA-00017Y-IL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20056 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20056-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20056.14258404174298 (code B ref 20056); Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20056) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Mar 2015 18:46:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgE5-00017G-4L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:21922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YUgE2-000173-TM for 20056@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:46:55 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t28IkYIS001113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Mar 2015 18:46:37 GMT Original-Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t28IkXnl029762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Mar 2015 18:46:34 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t28IkXeI022702; Sun, 8 Mar 2015 18:46:33 GMT In-Reply-To: <54FC9340.2030703@dancol.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:100283 Archived-At: > Even cl functions that have the same names as functions in Common Lisp > don't always have the same features or semantics. I don't think it's > very important that the cl package mirror Common Lisp. That is something quite different. Those differences are pointed out, and the aim is to emulate Common Lisp, however imperfectly we might be able to (or might want to) do so at any given time. There is no reason to misleadingly add stuff to our emulation library that has no counterpart is Common Lisp - is not emulating anything there. It is even worse to use names that make it look as if these do correspond to Common Lisp things. It is perfectly fine for Emacs to add things that Common Lisp does not have/do. But it should add them elsewhere from the `cl*.el' files, and document them elsewhere than in manual CL. These are *Emacs* things that have nothing to do with Common Lisp. If you start adding non Common-Lisp stuff to `cl*.el', then where will you stop? What will be your criteria for adding them to `cl*.el'? If they do not emulate something in Common Lisp then they belong elsewhere from `cl*.el' (this should be obvious, I think). We are not redesigning Common Lisp or pretending to do so.