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Sun, 15 Jul 2018 22:09:28 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w6FM9Rfv005832; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 22:09:28 GMT In-Reply-To: <878t6c9ojp.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4717.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8955 signatures=668706 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1806210000 definitions=main-1807150266 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:148551 Archived-At: > >> > I didn't suggest restoring the quotes to non-curly in Info. > >> > >> If you rephrase your suggestion as a patch, then we won't have to > >> play guessing games. > > > > What's to guess? I said clearly in _each_ of my posts > > to this bug thread, starting with the report itself, > > that it's about the use of such chars in the Lisp source > > files - in particular in `info.el'. >=20 > In the OP you said > They were all changed from this text: > Index for `%s' > The latter text should be restored. >=20 > Which would affect the text in Info buffers (because it's the argument > to an `insert' call which is evaluated in an Info buffer). I'm not sure > if you are just ignoring the effect of the change you propose, or you > have some additional changes in mind. I've said multiple times, very clearly, that the _bug_, the problem for users that is reported, is the presences of curly quotes in Lisp source code. It can make it difficult for users who copy+paste such Lisp code. And that statement too is about curly quotes in Lisp source code. The point is to not have those quotes in the Lisp source code. That does not imply that they cannot appear in Info. Yes, technically, if "the latter text" is simply "restored" then the Info text would be affected. But that's not the point of the bug, as the context and the several other mails in the thread all make clear, repeatedly. There are other ways to get the effect of curly quotes in Info than to insert that literal text. It is clear from the context that I was not proposing that only restoring the exact same text in the Lisp code is an acceptable fix. The point of a bug report is to state the problem, not to prescribe a particular solution, and certainly not to claim that there is only one possible solution. The point of that text, which I think you should (and do?) realize, is that the curly quotes should be removed from the Lisp code. Nothing more, nothing less. I corrected a misinterpretation more than once in this thread. It's simply not about curly quotes in Info. And it could not be, given that it has been stated that Emacs has no control over the appearance of curly quotes in Info (alas). > > And anyway Eli has said that he doesn't see any reason to care about > > users copy+pasting our Lisp source code. Won't fix. >=20 > Okay. Not okay; too bad.