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Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:15:08 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 03T1D7bP030004; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:15:07 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30my0f1a15-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:15:07 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 03T1F4vj011796; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:15:04 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9605 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=18 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=876 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004290006 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9605 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=18 mlxlogscore=913 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004290006 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:179268 Archived-At: > > Remember your curly-quote > > crusade? You did the same thing then, with similar > > complaints about acting widely, unilaterally, and > > prematurely. >=20 > I disagree about the comparison. The curly-quote was (still is) a > fiasco, a big scope of changes (and breakages) with comparatively > little practical benefit. This bug report at least deals with a > real problem. Yes, I agree about that difference. > And of course it's much easier to criticize (what a lot of us have been > doing) than provide actual wording changes. So I wouldn't say > committing too soon was a significant problem in this particular > instance. It's not a far-reaching change, and we could still revert it. And I agree with you there, too. But I think Michael's point was about the cooperation/attitude, not the nature or difficulty of the problem to solve or the magnitude of any problem of undoing committed changes.