From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 07:50:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4edb143526e2dea27984@heytings.org> References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <8fba78a42eb8bd480d61@heytings.org> <3a17b49f-2a5c-42b6-4375-7544b67fd471@yandex.ru> <4edb1435269b6cdaa9ff@heytings.org> <8758da3a-1f44-36ec-1c58-68683604945a@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21828"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 01 09:51:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lckPI-0005Zy-Dh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 09:51:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48932 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lckPH-0004LL-Fr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 03:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34016) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lckP0-0004Jk-MQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 03:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lckOz-00079v-SP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 03:51:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lckOz-0003aD-Ps for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 03:51:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 07:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161985541113683 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 01 May 2021 07:51:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2021 07:50:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lckOB-0003Yd-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 03:50:11 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:60738) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lckO9-0003YT-KM for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 03:50:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619855408; bh=czl5qCFnoIrLldCSROJ7iAKabQO/vnrVZfN4QR8+SjM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=Gmc8/G6bcfbUMRoV8qXKvSG82ZEqjAls85S02wPiMsmJ1z7E8dRqPa0hBbMvIDGKY U+qEnh0Mx92RIy7FM1U066bsqU1g/eqpZE1+sEwyi/t50I1slBwXPDvXpcJoP8SGvd O/yO3ElAMfiLsz89cVk/r31IEsNHRx8QMgR+Y+x+YeP4xG42kKS3x9zgIODGRpXiza S90RH44GgkEIr12C/SyAFvpJ5Y4Keh8+NDUCXzq/v6bah05EK9WxpImy+NSm8cSdKZ O0Z1yZh9NHO7OTLcANUdRZSdZRm12B3Q+9y0wkRCMB3vO4NshTpNugredCDJDoeRe0 q3YiTBvFxHing== In-Reply-To: <8758da3a-1f44-36ec-1c58-68683604945a@yandex.ru> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205319 Archived-At: >> And the fix used by the author of the issue, and agreed with by the one >> who suggested that "first proposed fix", is to turn visible-bell off. > > You said there's no evidence of this behavior having been used widely. > No. I said it is ugly. You said it isn't, and it is in your opinion "proven" enough to become the default on three platforms. I said I disagree with this, it is not used enough to be "proven" enough. The "evidence" you now presented show that a few hundred people are using it, which doesn't prove anything. Of course, it's there, so some use it. What I see is instead that there are various solutions available that implement a "better" visual bell, which shows that the default one isn't satisfactory.