From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: [External] : bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 16:55:55 +0000 Message-ID: <4edb1435263f6220bcd8@heytings.org> References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <8fba78a42eb8bd480d61@heytings.org> <3a17b49f-2a5c-42b6-4375-7544b67fd471@yandex.ru> <4edb1435264f2530594d@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35423"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , "1305@debbugs.gnu.org" <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , "jasonspiro4@gmail.com" , Stefan Monnier , Dmitry Gutov , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 01 18:56:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsua-00097e-BB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 18:56:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49596 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsuZ-0000cy-DB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:56:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsuQ-0000Zq-1W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53983) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsuP-0007RX-Ou for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsuP-0001KN-NE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:56:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 16:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.16198881595096 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 01 May 2021 16:56:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2021 16:55:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37296 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsuM-0001K8-UL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:33122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsuK-0001K2-T4 for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:55:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619888155; bh=rLXgweO70RjzBXW0jQHQU4MrRxGexoWOunB1HuwlahI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=tYiJUWnE2KyYtD87evS+nSlHY5CPoIA3BmbcGwkHSnBsvs5W39eS9Udw4UG7L1LTo df/RUQhxKyWJQwvAkPsOodopcadq94HF2lumo2cBL5KMrXiQN97FmZxz65YYAb0KIx bEdLISh6S/Go+dkOIURu2g4SAh8Itu1/30qcKSE+6WMiBIxwzSfAB3GrfqGvYKxIoO w0XaAZjNj/B/Po6z3QG+EoaxfMjXGPL7vv5SWLlVzbaogzeDnaJfmliSop9vy30ZAr yBX0HLmDfBpJybq/l9/nQ9NFPyxvdGBXNlEQXYRbpEVlB1Qcuj9fkODMROgtC+FVBc RNKUbHy3ZlTaA== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205360 Archived-At: > > Have the passive voicers actually tried it? > Yes, and I tried it, too, and after trying a solution where you have to wait and another where you don't have to wait I agree that this slight delay is a bit annoying. As I just said to Stefan M, my feeling is that this delay is more annoying when flashing with a background color instead of flashing with an inverse video effect. > > In that case, change the default to 0.02 sec or whatever the passive > voices consider optimal. > The flash can't be too short, otherwise it isn't visible anymore... > > What's needed - regardless of what default behavior is chosen, is a > simple way for users to customize things. > It's already there, and it's already used: ring-bell-function. What is (if I'm not mistaken) discussed in this thread is what a better default would be / whether another default behavior would be better.