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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	48841@debbugs.gnu.org, 47711@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#47711: bug#48841: bug#47711: [PATCH VERSION 2] Add new `completion-filter-completions` API and deferred highlighting
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 06:48:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4cac92d2-056d-e7fb-0664-2dbccb5f980c@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sfzca0zm.fsf@gmail.com>

On 14.08.2021 11:23, João Távora wrote:
> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
> 
>> Aside from the mutability/ownership issue,
>>
>> On 13.08.2021 15:05, João Távora wrote:
>>> If one removes these lines, the process becomes much faster, but there is a
>>> problem with highlighting.  My idea is indeed to defer highlighting by not
>>> setting the 'face property directly on that shared string, but some
>>> other property
>>> that is read later from the shared string by compliant frontents.
>>
>> I haven't done any direct benchmarking, but I'm pretty sure that this
>> approach cannot, by definition, be as fast as the non-mutating one.
>>
>> Because you go through the whole list and mutate all of its elements,
>> you have to perform a certain bit of work W x N times, where N is the
>> size of the whole list.
> 
> Let's call W the work that you perform N times in this istuation.  In
> the non-mutation, let's call it Z.  So
> 
> W <= Z, because Z not only propertizes the string with a calculation of
> faces but _also copies its character contents_.

As I pointed out later in the email you're replying to, copying won't 
happen N times.

> Also I think it's better to start about copying rather than mutating.
> As Eli points out, putting a text property in a string (my idea) is not
> equivalent with "mutating" it.

In common industry terms, that's mutation. Lisp strings are not C 
strings, they are aggregate objects.

>> Whereas the deferred-mutation approach will only have to do its bit
>> (which is likely more work, like, WWW) only 20 times, or 100 times, or
>> however many completions are displayed. And this is usually
>> negligible.
> 
> I think you're going in the same fallacy you went briefly in the other
> bug report.  The flex and pcm styles (meaning
> completion-pcm--hilit-commonality) has to go through all the completions
> when deciding the score to atribute to each completion that we already
> know matches the pattern.  That's because this scoring is essential to
> sorting.  That's a given in both scenarios, copying and non-copying.

First of all, note that scoring is only essential to the 'flex' style. 
Whereas the improvements we're discussing should benefit all, and can be 
more pronounced if the scoring don't need to be performed.

But ok, let's talk about flex in particular.

> Then, it's true that only a very small set of those eventually have to
> be displayed to the user, depending on where wants she wants her
> scrolling page to be.  So that's when you have to apply 'face' to, say
> 20 strings, and that can indeed be pretty fast.  But where does the
> information come from?
> 
> - Currently, it comes from the string's 'face' itself, which was copied
>    entirely.
> 
> - In the non-copying approach, it must come from somewhere else.  One
>    idea is that it comes from a new "private" property 'lazy-face', also
>    in the string itselv, but which was _not_ copied.  Another idea is
>    just to remember the pattern and re-match it to those 20 strings.

Let's say that the cost to compute the score (on one completion) is S. 
And the cost to highlight it is H. The cost to copy a string is C (that 
would be amortized cost, including the subsequent GCs).

The current algorithm costs: N x (C + S + H)

C is unavoidable because of the existing API guarantees.

A non-mutating algorithm can cost:

   N x S (for sorting)

   +

   100 x (C + S + H) (let's say we didn't even cache the scoring info)

...where 100 is the number of displayed completions (the number is 
usually lower).

As we measured previously, copying is quite expensive. Even in the 
above, not-caching approach we win ((N - 100) x (C + H)), and, okay, 
lose 100 x S. For high values of N, it should be a clear win.

> I think the second alternative is always faster.
> 
>> However big the difference is going to be, I can't say in advance, of
>> course, or whether it's going to be shadowed by some other performance
>> costs. But the non-mutating approach should have the best optimization
>> potential when the list is long.
> 
> Don't think so.  I'm doing benchmarks, will post soon.

I'm guessing you just skip the C step in your benchmarks? Which is 
something that breaks our current contract.

Still, Daniel's patch should provide a comparable performance 
improvement. If you're saying it doesn't give numbers as good, I'll have 
to give it a more thorough read and testing tomorrow to comment on that.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-16  3:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 174+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-05  1:39 bug#48841: fido-mode is slower than ido-mode with similar settings Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-05  9:35 ` João Távora
2021-06-05 23:02   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-05 23:20     ` João Távora
2021-06-05 23:42       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06  0:25       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06  6:54         ` João Távora
2021-06-06 22:20           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06 23:49             ` João Távora
2021-06-07  0:11               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-07  8:52                 ` João Távora
2021-06-11  2:19                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-11 17:09                     ` João Távora
2021-06-11 22:34                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-11 22:41                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-13 14:55                         ` João Távora
2021-06-17  2:36                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-17 21:21                             ` João Távora
2021-07-04  1:53                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-07-07  8:56                                 ` bug#47711: " Daniel Mendler
2021-06-11 23:24                     ` João Távora
2021-06-12  0:43                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-13 14:29                         ` João Távora
2021-06-14  0:08                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-14  0:16                             ` João Távora
2021-06-17  2:23                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-17 21:29                                 ` João Távora
2021-07-04  1:42                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06  2:34       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-06  6:59         ` João Távora
2021-06-06 16:54           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06 18:37             ` João Távora
2021-06-06 22:21               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06 23:27                 ` João Távora
2021-06-06 17:55           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-06 21:33             ` João Távora
2021-08-11 14:16 ` bug#48841: [PATCH] Add new `completion-filter-completions` API and deferred highlighting Daniel Mendler
2021-08-11 16:11   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-11 16:17     ` bug#47711: " João Távora
2021-08-12  9:24     ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-13 10:38       ` bug#48841: [PATCH VERSION 2] " Daniel Mendler
2021-08-13 10:56         ` João Távora
2021-08-13 11:21           ` bug#48841: bug#47711: " Daniel Mendler
2021-08-13 12:05             ` João Távora
2021-08-13 12:22               ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-13 12:37                 ` bug#48841: " João Távora
2021-08-13 12:56                   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-13 13:36                     ` bug#48841: " João Távora
2021-08-13 14:03                       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-13 14:11                         ` bug#48841: " João Távora
2021-08-13 14:37                           ` bug#47711: " Daniel Mendler
2021-08-14  2:47                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-14  7:12                         ` bug#47711: " Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 11:22                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16  8:48                           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-16 11:57                             ` bug#47711: " Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 12:02                               ` João Távora
2021-08-16 12:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 12:08                               ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-14 10:36                         ` João Távora
2021-08-14 11:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 12:12                             ` bug#47711: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-14 12:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 13:29                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-16  3:21                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16  3:27                                 ` bug#47711: " João Távora
2021-08-16  3:31                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16  3:53                                     ` João Távora
2021-08-16  3:59                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16  4:25                                         ` bug#47711: " João Távora
2021-08-16  9:08                                           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-16 10:15                                             ` João Távora
2021-08-16 10:52                                               ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-16 11:37                                                 ` bug#48841: " João Távora
2021-08-16 12:05                                                   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-16 12:17                                                     ` João Távora
2021-08-16 12:43                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 14:26                                                   ` bug#48841: " Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 14:29                                                     ` João Távora
2021-08-16 12:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 12:49                                                   ` bug#48841: " Daniel Mendler
2021-08-16 13:21                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 14:00                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 14:20                                                         ` João Távora
2021-08-16 14:33                                                           ` bug#48841: " Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 14:36                                                             ` João Távora
2021-08-16 14:47                                                               ` bug#47711: bug#48841: " Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 16:59                                                                 ` João Távora
2021-08-16 18:25                                                             ` João Távora
2021-08-17  2:08                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-17  8:59                                                                 ` João Távora
2021-08-17 11:48                                                                   ` bug#48841: " Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 11:52                                                                     ` bug#47711: " João Távora
2021-08-16  3:17                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 11:46                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16 13:38                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 13:41                                   ` João Távora
2021-08-16 14:14                                     ` bug#47711: " Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-15 18:32                           ` bug#48841: [PATCH] Make fido-mode about as fast as ido-mode even with many completions João Távora
2021-08-25 15:42                             ` João Távora
2021-08-14  7:01                     ` bug#48841: bug#47711: [PATCH VERSION 2] Add new `completion-filter-completions` API and deferred highlighting Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14  9:48                       ` João Távora
2021-08-15  0:03                         ` João Távora
2021-08-16  3:26                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-16 11:48                         ` bug#48841: " Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16  8:47                       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-14  2:55               ` bug#47711: bug#48841: " Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-14  7:16                 ` bug#48841: " Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 22:25                   ` bug#47711: " Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 17:52                     ` João Távora
2023-10-25 20:50                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 21:02                         ` João Távora
2023-10-25 22:12                           ` João Távora
2023-10-26 21:49                             ` João Távora
2023-10-26 23:10                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 23:27                                 ` João Távora
2023-10-26 23:35                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 23:52                                     ` João Távora
2023-10-26 23:25                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 23:44                         ` João Távora
2023-10-27  0:11                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-27  0:26                             ` João Távora
2023-10-27 13:29                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-27 13:46                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-27 15:41                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-27 16:19                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-27 17:06                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-27 18:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-29  2:07                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-29  4:41                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-11-03  0:16                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-03  3:05                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-27 17:16                                 ` João Távora
2023-10-28 22:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-29 23:12                                     ` João Távora
2023-10-31  3:20                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-31 10:55                                         ` João Távora
2023-10-31 20:52                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-01 18:47                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-01 22:45                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-02  9:48                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-02 10:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-02 10:39                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-02 10:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-02 11:12                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-02 14:40                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-02 15:24                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-02 15:36                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-02 15:58                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-02 16:03                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-02 16:09                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-02 16:15                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 20:51                                                                 ` bug#47711: 27.1; Deferred highlighting support in `completion-all-completions', `vertico--all-completions` Daniel Mendler
     [not found]                                                                   ` <handler.47711.B.16181742862702.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2021-04-18 21:26                                                                     ` bug#47711: Acknowledgement (27.1; Deferred highlighting support in `completion-all-completions', `vertico--all-completions`) Daniel Mendler
2023-11-04 18:46                                                                   ` bug#47711: bug#48841: bug#47711: bug#48841: bug#47711: [PATCH VERSION 2] Add new `completion-filter-completions` API and deferred highlighting Howard Melman
2024-04-08 17:19                                                                   ` bug#47711: 27.1; Deferred highlighting support in `completion-all-completions', `vertico--all-completions` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-06 16:20                                                 ` bug#47711: bug#48841: bug#47711: bug#48841: bug#47711: [PATCH VERSION 2] Add new `completion-filter-completions` API and deferred highlighting João Távora
2023-11-06 19:38                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-07 12:13                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-08  1:06                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08  1:24                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-08  1:47                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-27  0:14                           ` João Távora
2021-08-14  8:23                 ` João Távora
2021-08-16  3:48                   ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2021-08-16  4:20                     ` bug#48841: " João Távora
2021-08-16  8:53                       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-14  6:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14  3:11     ` bug#47711: bug#48841: [PATCH] " Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-12  8:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-12  8:47     ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-14  6:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-16  9:42         ` Daniel Mendler
2021-08-16 12:58           ` bug#47711: " Eli Zaretskii

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