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From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	59882@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 22:24:24 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4b053e69-87d3-8323-8949-0546b4bb6c1a@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fsdfs8vl.fsf@localhost>

On 16/12/2022 21:47, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>> Can it happen that already loaded version affects compilation of a new
>> version by package-install.
> 
> Yes. It is what appears to be happening:
> 
> https://irreal.org/blog/?p=10996
> https://irreal.org/blog/?p=10999

I would not call it steps to reproduce.

 From my point of view, there is a number of issues with updating of 
packages from emacs session.

1. If compilation of a package failed then it is not withdrawn from the 
load path.

2. There is no reliable way to determine if package compilation failed. 
(byte-recompile-directory DIR 0 t) returns human readable string, not 
signalling an error or returning a value convenient to check in the 
code. It is the cause of the previous issue.

3. Emacs package system is not ready for complex multifile packages 
containing macro definitions. It does not push user to update packages 
just after emacs restart in a clean state. As a result, files may be 
compiled with old or missed macro definitions.

4. Because of the item 2 a package has no chance to implement reliable 
internal sanity check that prevents updating to a broken state.

I have tried the following in Emacs-27. For Emacs >= 29 add -L to Org <= 
9.5.

- "emacs -l org" to simulate a regular user session with some opened files.
- Update to Org-9.6 from ELPA.
- Close emacs and start it again "emacs -l org"

Result:
byte-code: Invalid function: org-assert-version

Notice attempt to load Org-9.6 despite warnings and even error during 
update:

> Compiling file /home/emcs/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.6/ob-C.el at Sun Dec 18 04:30:49 2022
> Entering directory ‘/home/emcs/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.6/’
> 
> In end of data:
> ob-C.el:509:1:Warning: the function ‘org-assert-version’ is not known to be
>     defined. 
...
> Compiling file /home/emcs/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.6/ob-matlab.el at Sun Dec 18 04:30:50 2022
> ob-matlab.el:43:1:Error: Symbol’s function definition is void: org-assert-version

So emacs can not handle update of a package with changed macro 
definitions when they reside in another package file.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-18 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]           ` <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com>
2022-12-08 21:56             ` bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem David Masterson
     [not found]             ` <SJ0PR03MB5455B76B26B72A11E965BFE2A21D9@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2022-12-09  7:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-09  7:43                 ` David Masterson
     [not found]                 ` <SJ0PR03MB54551B455DAEB936213DE09CA21C9@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2022-12-09 11:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-09 19:40                   ` Cook, Malcolm
     [not found]                   ` <DS7PR20MB46714DA5A213137BCEF5A2D4BE1C9@DS7PR20MB4671.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
2022-12-09 19:51                     ` David Masterson
     [not found]                     ` <SJ0PR03MB545522F5053017127964564BA21C9@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2022-12-09 20:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-10 14:01                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14  9:51                 ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                 ` <87edt2qpoa.fsf@localhost>
2022-12-14 12:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <83359innsp.fsf@gnu.org>
2022-12-14 13:37                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14 14:35                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found]                       ` <jwvfsdi6or0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2022-12-14 16:02                         ` Max Nikulin
     [not found]                         ` <3bf2e057-4204-cdc8-0847-39a723db4fc8@gmail.com>
2022-12-15  4:17                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-15  4:56                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-16 12:36                             ` Max Nikulin
     [not found]                             ` <809ae318-fe95-1023-6bca-ba827fd01a29@gmail.com>
2022-12-16 14:47                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-18 15:24                                 ` Max Nikulin [this message]
2022-12-18 15:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-06 16:09                                     ` Max Nikulin
     [not found]                                     ` <7e64ae5e-6fd7-ea41-dae5-c8abd9a3fefa@gmail.com>
2023-04-06 21:25                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-19  4:20                                         ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-25  9:48                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                   ` <87pmc7stiw.fsf@localhost>
2022-12-25 11:46                                     ` Max Nikulin
     [not found]                                     ` <96ecff22-8604-3794-671f-75184dcb7d31@gmail.com>
2022-12-26  8:44                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                       ` <87r0wmr1tk.fsf@localhost>
2022-12-26 11:01                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                         ` <877cyeqvh4.fsf@localhost>
2022-12-26 12:25                                           ` Max Nikulin
     [not found]                                           ` <3f0ead96-4424-18a9-394f-680fc135d39c@gmail.com>
2022-12-27  9:47                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-27  9:56                                               ` Max Nikulin
     [not found]                                               ` <11e5c88d-09d1-75a5-5c7c-f8ace552c2d3@gmail.com>
2023-02-03 11:02                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-03 12:15                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                   ` <86zg9upl8h.fsf@gmail.com>
2023-02-14 22:53                                                     ` Gregor Zattler
     [not found]                                                     ` <87pmabyi2r.fsf@no.workgroup>
2023-02-16 12:14                                                       ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-21  5:22                                                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                         ` <E1pUL6K-0006Bt-U3@fencepost.gnu.org>
2023-02-21 12:32                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-21 17:26                                                             ` Bhavin Gandhi
2023-02-22 10:48                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                                               ` <87mt56c6wu.fsf@localhost>
2023-02-22 16:58                                                                 ` Bhavin Gandhi
     [not found]                                                                 ` <CAOn=hbcZ5JyBGvsy8VS=KpyJ3quHCdb4c_xAfeUygXeqtzirRw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-02-23  9:35                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-06 15:02                                                   ` Max Nikulin
2023-04-07 11:39                                                     ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-14 14:25                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-14 21:49                   ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-09 19:47               ` Cook, Malcolm

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