From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#354: "Added (how many lines, bytes?!) to file.txt" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 11:44:34 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <4ac2a524-05db-071b-6628-73a5ccad14ce@cs.ucla.edu> References: <54F01AE2.8050406@cs.ucla.edu> <87y4njzckz.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuig7jxo.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83h92vc0op.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvc021mr.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83zig04q2n.fsf@gnu.org> <87shlrxy2e.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87shlqwt4p.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1491158715 2204 195.159.176.226 (2 Apr 2017 18:45:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Cc: 354@debbugs.gnu.org, kb1vqh@gmail.com To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 02 20:45:10 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cukUq-0007ha-Vy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 2 Apr 2017 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id yS_2NhZ3uMmw; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8041600DD; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id aiq4UPgz-xY1; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E434C1600B3; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87shlqwt4p.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:131227 Archived-At: On 04/02/2017 11:40 AM, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > I'm not sure what you > mean about "idiomatic English" as both versions produce the same text. The old version says "Added to FOO" whereas the new says "Added N characters of `FOO'". The "to" is more idiomatic than the "of". Part of the idea is to make Emacs more translatable in the future, if we should ever get around to doing that. It's typically easier to translate three English-language format strings that talk about three different things, than to try to translate three-way Lisp code that assumes English grammar when constructing a single format string. Admittedly Emacs often uses tricky code like this elsewhere; still, it's better to avoid adding more such tricks.