From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8368: 24.0.50; "temp" means "help" - rename or at least document Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 11:40:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FA1011A.2070300@gmx.at> References: <4F9BA96C.8070005@gmx.at> <4573CB93BA8F47DD922007A8C8CF3EB3@us.oracle.com> <4F9D1AB8.5090302@gmx.at> <2F5D2C7A2A6D44A3B25C5891EFEF7DF0@us.oracle.com> <4F9E5E08.4030400@gmx.at> <4F9F9A19.30402@gmx.at> <44E8D30016CC4FBBBD986DD8F8FE5BC6@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335951703 3824 80.91.229.3 (2 May 2012 09:41:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 09:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 8368@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 02 11:41:41 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW45-0007OK-Az for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 11:41:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33149 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW44-00062e-Pf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:41:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59209) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW3x-00061V-PQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:41:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW3w-0001bR-4C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:60466) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW3w-0001bN-0m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:41:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW5O-0003D5-EJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:43:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 09:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8368 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8368-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8368.133595173112275 (code B ref 8368); Wed, 02 May 2012 09:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8368) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2012 09:42:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW4T-0003Bq-KL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:42:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:56550) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SPW4Q-0003BB-JE for 8368@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:42:03 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 May 2012 09:40:24 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-54-98.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.54.98]) [62.47.54.98] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 02 May 2012 11:40:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+DUeogh8KDsWKhHpWo8Qddd/B7rJZnhErnBdc+uy +n2YlZzVGp401z In-Reply-To: <44E8D30016CC4FBBBD986DD8F8FE5BC6@us.oracle.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:59699 Archived-At: > I thought both what you proposed and what I proposed addressed this: rename > (alias) and deprecate the old, misleading names. Seems like we're going 'round > in circles now. I thought we (you & I & Stefan, at least) had already agreed on > a reasonable solution. > > And I was pretty clear that the names are not what is most important to me. > What matters most is to have a macro that does only the non-help stuff, separate > from the macro that does also the help stuff. Can you tell me what you mean here? In the first paragraph you say that you want to rename and in the second paragraph you say that the names are not important to you. What I proposed boils down to write (at least) two new macros: One which sets up `help-mode' and one which does not. The question (for me) is whether the former should call the later and which hooks these should run (if at all). The `with-output-to-temp-buffer' macro would stay in place until we can safely tell that it doesn't have any more callers. martin