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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:21:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:45223 Archived-At: Am 21.03.2011 11:54, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> From: Leo >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:01:17 +0800 >> Cc: >> >> Would you agree to use utf-8-emacs instead, which covers all characters. > > That's better, but the characters outside Unicode are still going to > do bad things to any software except Emacs. AFAIK, emacs-mule is a > superset of iso-2022 in the same way as utf-8-emacs is a superset of > utf-8. > >>> Can you tell what is the purpose of this change? >> >> Make abbrev file editable to other editors. > > If we are really keen on making the abbrev files editable to other > editors, we should make sure they are encoded in some encoding that > these other editors will understand. That probably calls for using > utf-8 for everything that's covered by Unicode, and using other > appropriate encodings for characters outside Unicode. > > > > Hi, sounds interesting for me, as not just other editors are at stake AFAIU, but auto-generated abbrevs produced by programms. These might be theme-specific, cover items of medicine, jura etc. Could offer modes with preloaded abbrevs resp. to matter of writing. Regards, Andreas