From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "K. Richard Pixley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:52:29 -0800 Message-ID: <4D21722D.1010701@noir.com> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <4D214C43.4010203@noir.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294037635 10617 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2011 06:53:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 07:53:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeIf-0000QF-NS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 07:53:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53147 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZeIf-000618-7z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:53:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36866 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZeIY-0005xj-MK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:53:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeIX-000265-LD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:53:42 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeIX-00025z-Jp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:53:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeB7-0003F1-NN; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:46:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "K. Richard Pixley" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 06:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7771 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.129403713112422 (code B ref -1); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 06:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 06:45:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeAd-0003EI-Hl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:45:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeAb-0003E7-G7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHS-0001n2-At for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:35 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:59830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHS-0001mu-2i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36008 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZeHQ-0005Xv-Ou for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHP-0001ma-Lb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:32 -0500 Original-Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:50641 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHP-0001mB-Fx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:31 -0500 Original-Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E1CDE40FF; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:46:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:43030 Archived-At: On 20110102 21:34, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> It's not a question of preference. I literally cannot discern the >> characters on the screen when font lock is on. > Here are the known cases for this kind of problem: > - Your screen's colors are off-base. Some possible cases are if you're > running within an xterm whose color palette is more limited than usual > or is somehow different from what Emacs expects. > - Emacs mis-identifies your background color and chooses the > light-background set of colors rather than the dark-background set > (or vice-versa). > In this case, customizing frame-background-mode may help. > - Your vision is impaired. > > I assumed you were in the third case, but maybe not. I'm probably in both of the last two and also a fourth. I'm still setting emacs colors in Xdefaults having put some time investment into making that work some years ago. It hadn't occurred to me that they might be interacting. The fourth category is cognitive. I am not neuro-typical. Most color schemes just seem annoying to me. Thunderbird's use of color works for me, eg, but M-x grep, M-x compile, and all of the font locked editing modes I've seen do not. Color coding is difficult for me. Numbers are much easier. I'll try to find some time later this week to invest in coming up to speed with what's available now. Maybe I can help. --rich