From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1077: 23.0.60; x-create-frame: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:50:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4CF55571.1020402@gmx.at> References: <003e01c9257c$a385d800$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <009701c9263f$9cce7120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <000001c94cc1$e10e9c40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <8F1F8998D60341099C4204B7BDD8AD4F@us.oracle.com> <96BC00F728B94AC18A15EA95B66C5248@us.oracle.com> <83zksv5g7j.fsf@gnu.org> <0A475933984F4CDA855D91C8B7639E3B@us.oracle.com> <83fwum5xzk.fsf@gnu.org> <9F24875655894485A414CD785D95725B@us.oracle.com> <83ipzh9qze.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF386C9.5070909@gmx.at> <8362vg9ctt.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF409A3.1030906@gmx.at> <83y68b96c5.fsf@gnu.org> <71C125BECEDF4C5E9F703E5743F76893@us.oracle.com> <83r5e38nhg.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF4AE39.4050007@gmx.at> <4CF503A5.3030404@gmx.at> <4CF52EBF.6020107@gmx.at> <0C2D07EAE2D04BA498890195EA23B8CF@us.oracle.com> <83ipze8y5i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291191433 19802 80.91.229.12 (1 Dec 2010 08:17:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1077@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 01 09:17:08 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNhs9-0006Dg-6X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:17:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44022 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNhs8-0000TH-Cp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 03:17:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36403 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNdiN-0002Mm-RL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNWbQ-0003Ge-Nd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33469) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNWbQ-0003G9-L9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:15:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNW8N-0003dW-HC; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:45:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1077 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 1077-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1077.129114627613929 (code B ref 1077); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:45:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2010 19:44:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNW7v-0003cc-Dt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:44:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22] helo=mail.gmx.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNW7t-0003cQ-Ss for 1077@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:44:34 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2010 19:50:09 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-39-151.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.39.151]) [62.47.39.151] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2010 20:50:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lkzUuxIxlc49W2IW8t7o5mQs8NGmU+fKFnkzCvg /WBTc4OanSixkv User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <83ipze8y5i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:45:03 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42035 Archived-At: > It's not the design. By design a minibuffer is a special buffer and a minibuffer window is a special window. The concepts of a standalone minibuffer window are mostly unchanged from that of a minibuffer window attached to a normal frame. > Simply, no one bothered to solve the > difficulties that are related to having menu bars in minibuffer-only > frames. The function set_menu_bar_lines, which handles changes in the > menu-bar-lines frame parameter, has this fragment right at its > beginning: > > /* Right now, menu bars don't work properly in minibuf-only frames; > most of the commands try to apply themselves to the minibuffer > frame itself, and get an error because you can't switch buffers > in or split the minibuffer window. */ You either have to redesign the concept of minibuffer windows or work around the design. Both tasks seem non-trivial to me. "Right now" is just another way to express that. martin