From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5721: Feature request: Function that returns absolute coordinates Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:07:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4C3EA59E.40300@swipnet.se> References: <4B9E4521.9030909@yahoo.co.jp> <4C2C8C02.1010906@swipnet.se> <4C2D9009.60405@swipnet.se> <4C3DD633.7040004@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279175436 27526 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2010 06:30:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5721@debbugs.gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 08:30:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZHxo-0004Kk-JE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:30:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60228 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZHxn-00054G-Te for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:30:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51368 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZHxe-00053V-75 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZHxc-0008R8-Lf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:30:22 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51862) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZHxc-0008R4-Ix for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZHc1-0006IL-VB; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:08:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5721 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 5721-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5721.127917404224189 (code B ref 5721); Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2010 06:07:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZHbN-0006I6-Np for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.197]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZHbL-0006Hz-KV for 5721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:07:20 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb3.telenor.se (ipb3.telenor.se [195.54.127.166]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD190E9EC1 for <5721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:07:28 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEyAGNCPkxV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACHcZgCDAEBAQE1Lb81hSQEkg0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,206,1278280800"; d="scan'208";a="547959948" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb3.telenor.se with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2010 08:07:27 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4408A7FA05A; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:07:27 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:08:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:38531 Archived-At: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu skrev 2010-07-15 02.17: >>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:22:27 +0200, Jan Dj=E4rv said: > >>> I think major motivation to use the absolute coordinate system is >>> to specify the frame location (OP's case), or to pass it to >>> external programs (the SCIM case). "Absolute unscaled" one is more >>> suitable for such uses. > >> I would imagine that for frame positioning, absolute scaled would be t= he >> default, as top and left frame parameters should also be absolute >> scaled. > > That would bring us coarser precision with respect to the frame > position. If the scale factor is 2, then we cannot place a frame to a > position whose coordinate is an odd number (in absolute unscaled). As I said below, special functions to do that based on unscaled coordinat= es=20 would be needed. But for the default scaled should be used. Placing too= ltips=20 for example is much more common than placing frames. Doing so based on s= caled=20 coordinates is no problem. The alternative, to use unscaled, would make = Emacs=20 internals everywhere have to handle two coordinate systems all the time. = To=20 knowingly introduce such an overhead on everything is madness. > > I doubt the OP still wants window edges in absolute coordinates > systems, once he knows simple offsetting is not sufficient in general > (i.e., with scale factor). > If all coordinates and sizes he uses are scaled, why isn't it sufficient? Jan D.