From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6204: vc-dir always splits the frame Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:09:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4BFE36E6.5030203@gmx.at> References: <4jwrv35d7a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878w7fa7cr.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4BF504B4.50408@gmx.at> <4BF5736B.1030605@gmx.at> <4BF79ABA.7080006@gmx.at> <87ljbbv4u4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y6fbqtq2.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4BF91C54.4070608@gmx.at> <4BF97C5B.409@gmx.at> <4BFBEE76.7000003@gmx.at> <4BFC099E.2000404@gmx.at> <4BFCDC3A.3000300@gmx.at> <4BFD3580.8080804@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274952462 4513 80.91.229.12 (27 May 2010 09:27:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6204@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 27 11:27:40 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OHZNM-0007pA-7b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:27:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51063 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OHZNL-0006TY-5M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:27:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48242 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OHZN8-0006P2-2t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OHZN6-0001lP-0R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:27:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OHZN5-0001lD-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:27:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OHZ7G-0008CR-Iw; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:11:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6204 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6204-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6204.127495141131500 (code B ref 6204); Thu, 27 May 2010 09:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6204) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2010 09:10:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OHZ6Q-0008C1-8i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:10:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OHZ6N-0008Bc-Cs for 6204@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:10:08 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 May 2010 09:10:01 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-57-254.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.57.254]) [62.47.57.254] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 27 May 2010 11:10:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ZaeYSnBbZYaR2xafRFCRgI4Q5YLXFlHUKkJwjcm aNE27LDxQawicb User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:11:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:37324 Archived-At: >> I thought the idea was that an application can override a user's >> customizations iff it explicitly states that. > > Yes and the users can still do that with special-display-regexps. > But pop-up-frames and pop-up-windows are really very vague global > preferences, whereas an application going through to trouble of > specifying default-params has decided that it usually deserves > special treatment. So we apparently want to support options like `pop-up-windows' and `pop-up-frames' forever. The proposed behavior from strongest to weakest is therefore (1) An overriding argument set by the application. (2) The user setting for `special-display-regexps' (including regexps matching _any_ buffer). (3) A non-overriding argument set by the application. (4) Vague global preferences like `pop-up-windows'. Shall applications continue to bind `pop-up-windows' and `pop-up-frames' as they do now? I suppose where they do now they should use (1) or (3) instead. > Some of the intention behind the `default-params' would be to get rid of > calls to switch-to-buffer (replaced by calls to pop-to-buffer with > a same-window default-param). Such cases already disregard > pop-up-windows and pop-up-frames, so ignoring them w.r.t default-params > would be consistent with such a case. You mean all cases where the buffer argument of `switch-to-buffer' names an existing buffer (probably all of them do, but I didn't check). martin