From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harald Dunkel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4743: fundamental mode not sufficiently fundamental yet Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:04:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4ADAF632.5080003@t-online.de> References: <4AD985C8.3020900@t-online.de> Reply-To: Harald Dunkel , 4743@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1255887014 32409 80.91.229.12 (18 Oct 2009 17:30:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4743@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 19:30:06 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MzZZz-00071G-NE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:30:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56618 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MzZZz-0001kA-0g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MzTuy-0004tG-5o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MzTus-0004sU-CT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47378 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MzTus-0004sR-8H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:27:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:37563) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MzTur-00004x-PX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:27:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9IBRB7X021409; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:27:12 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9IBA6p4018111; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:10:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:10:06 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Harald Dunkel Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:10:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4743 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4743-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4743.125586386816399 (code B ref 4743); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:10:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4743) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Oct 2009 11:04:28 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mailout02.t-online.de (mailout02.t-online.de [194.25.134.17]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9IB4Q5j016396 for <4743@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:04:27 -0700 Original-Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1MzTYl-0007Z4-01; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:04:23 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (V+FxSQZQQhgk77oW3KhL7XhwGMcQ4HgC25x9jOpmQ8C0astztIiD4tXYLkuKmVBZhK@[87.189.54.111]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MzTYh-0zqLxo0; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:04:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090923 Lightning/1.0pre Thunderbird/3.0b4 In-Reply-To: X-ID: V+FxSQZQQhgk77oW3KhL7XhwGMcQ4HgC25x9jOpmQ8C0astztIiD4tXYLkuKmVBZhK X-TOI-MSGID: c9a06268-3263-4fb1-bb69-cfc503f5cbbd X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:27:18 -0400 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:29:46 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32067 Archived-At: On 10/18/09 03:14, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> If I press [tab] in fundamental mode, then Emacs doesn't jump to the >> next tab, but to the position of the next non-space char of the >> previous line. Sometimes this is really annoying. > > You want to change the default value of indent-line-function. > Or you want to use some other mode (e.g. paragraph-indent-text-mode). > Actually I just want to enter some text without having to care about different modes or redefining some internal functions. Thats why I am using fundamental mode. If I press [tab], then the cursor should move to the next tab stop, which should be every 8th column, as usual. All the Emacs clones I tried (mg, zile, jove) work this way. Even xemacs' fundamental mode works better wrt tab stops (IMHO). iNot to mention vi. But maybe I am too blind to see. Is there a more basic mode for Emacs than "fundamental"? Regards Harri