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Mon, 8 Jan 2024 13:57:16 -0500 (EST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83bk9wq9ho.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277571 Archived-At: On 08/01/2024 14:45, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii,casouri@gmail.com,68246@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2024 23:11:00 -0500 >> >>> (set-language-for-mode 'foo-ts-mode 'foo) >> Maybe we want to introduce this concept, indeed. >> >> maybe we want to that notion of "language" from elsewhere, such as >> the one used in LSP? > Please don't call it "language". That'd be confusing. LSP is about > programming languages, so "language" is natural there. But in Emacs, > a major mode is more general than that. For example, it is not > unthinkable to consider mail-mode to be the extra-parent of > message-mode (or vice versa) -- but what is the "language" in that > case? > >> Or maybe we want to take it from MIME types? >> I'm sure there are other options out there. >> >> Problem is: they come with their own complexities and corner cases. >> After all, this is inevitable when you create a taxonomy. >> IOW, while we*may* want to add support for an explicit notion of "file >> type", it's a whole problem in itself and it will not solve all >> our problems either. > File types also have problems: Emacs modes are sometimes defined for > buffers that don't visit files. Even if we call non-file-visiting buffers' contents "languages", I don't think anyone will have a heart attack or something. But the "languages" thingy will mostly be useful when there can be several different major modes that can work on a given buffer contents. In most/all such cases, we would probably come up with a language name. E.g., for example, we have message-mode, but if we wanted to support alternatives, we could call the base "email-message". Or for different major modes to edit VC commit messages, we could call the language "vc-log-message".