From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1754: 23.0.60; tool-bar is shown with tool-bar-mode off Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:20:25 +0100 Message-ID: <496DF4A9.1090008@gmx.at> References: <005301c96b95$547ae890$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <495CE033.70808@gmx.at> <008801c96c57$dcbd5540$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <495DC7A2.6000106@gmx.at> <495F3A4B.2070802@gmx.at> <4961BD57.9020202@gmx.at> <4967A764.2070809@gmx.at> <496872A2.2040404@gmx.at> <4969D690.5090004@gmx.at> <496A28FD.6090909@gmx.at> <496B145C.2070104@gmx.at> <496B690C.7070506@gmx.at> Reply-To: martin rudalics , 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1231944442 32504 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2009 14:47:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 14 15:48:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LN72V-0001UV-Qd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:48:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57458 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LN71F-0000JI-EO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:46:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LN6xw-0007av-R9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:43:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LN6xu-0007Z2-7i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:43:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54462 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LN6xu-0007Yo-0F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:43:30 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:37193) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LN6xt-0004ON-II for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:43:29 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0EEhQ6P029439; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:43:26 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0EEU3jl025915; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:30:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: martin rudalics Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1754 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1754-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1754.123194288824418 (code B ref 1754); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1754) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Jan 2009 14:21:28 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id n0EELNgQ024409 for <1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:21:25 -0800 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Jan 2009 14:21:17 -0000 Original-Received: from 88-117-40-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [88.117.40.31]) [88.117.40.31] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 15:21:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX199caRFIJR9YeGeDZGJcIjEdOtdK32Cn+IESN054j oICzbmNj6pLd78 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.8 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:43:31 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:24107 Archived-At: > The problem is that tool-bar-mode, and menu-bar-mode and too coarse: > they offer no way for the user to say whether he wants it to apply to > every single frame, or only to those currently displayed, or only the > current one, or only those on the current terminal, ... I was only talking about `window-system-default-frame-alist', a variable which apparently has no provenience and not very clear semantics. If I ever used it, I'd not expect a mode toggling function reset it. Note also that things like `pop-up-frame-alist' (and - if we implement your suggestion - `initial-frame-alist') are not affected by mode toggling. martin