From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1754: 23.0.60; tool-bar is shown with tool-bar-mode off Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:13:31 +0100 Message-ID: <495F3A4B.2070802@gmx.at> References: <005301c96b95$547ae890$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <495CE033.70808@gmx.at> <008801c96c57$dcbd5540$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <495DC7A2.6000106@gmx.at> Reply-To: martin rudalics , 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230978222 16890 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2009 10:23:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 03 11:24:51 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LJ3gY-0005rH-9z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:24:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34952 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ3fI-0004OW-5j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:23:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ3fD-0004OG-S2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:23:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ3fB-0004O4-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:23:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40453 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LJ3fB-0004O1-Mn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:23:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:53243) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LJ3fB-00068m-6W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:23:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n03ANNBR013551; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:23:23 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n03AK2xT012388; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:20:02 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: martin rudalics Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1754 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1754-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1754.123097765611128 (code B ref 1754); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1754) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Jan 2009 10:14:16 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id n03AECxt011120 for <1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:14:13 -0800 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Jan 2009 10:14:06 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-60-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.60.182]) [62.47.60.182] by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 03 Jan 2009 11:14:06 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/3tdoGpT/3/Y7kym1a0H8qEtNXCfnuS7N9dS4tQd AZfIbTM/a814mL User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.75 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:23:27 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:23718 Archived-At: >> you also create a (tool-bar-lines . 0) entry for _both_ >> `initial-frame-alist' and `default-frame-alist'. When you do > > Makes me wonder: why does it set it in initial-frame-alist since that > alist is always combined with default-frame-alist? If you mean that `modify-all-frames-parameters' should not change `initial-frame-alist' because the "right" value will be eventually found when scanning `default-frame-alist', you're maybe right. OTOH a user may have set `initial-frame-alist' to contain a tool-bar-lines entry and wants to explicitly turn off `tool-bar-mode' for the initial frame. Consider Drew's example with "initial" replacing "default". `default-frame-alist' and `initial-frame-alist' are a mess because these are customizable variables that should not be affected by toggling minor modes on and off. I think it's only confusing to have (at least) three .emacs ways to specify whether an initial frame should show a toolbar. martin