From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: grischka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1754: 23.0.60; tool-bar is shown with tool-bar-mode off Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:30:31 +0100 Message-ID: <495CD387.7080102@gmx.de> References: 495C729A.8080802@f2s.com <495CC979.3070608@gmx.de> <495CCA75.1020808@f2s.com> Reply-To: grischka , 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230821032 2850 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2009 14:43:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 01 15:45:01 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LIOnE-00039J-Ri for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:45:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LIOlz-0004uk-4N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:43:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LIOlk-0004pT-6u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:43:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LIOlh-0004oo-Rs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:43:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56150 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LIOlh-0004ol-LQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:43:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:51370) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LIOlh-00008Q-4D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:43:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n01EhMml000932; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:43:22 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n01Ee34W032244; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:40:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: grischka Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1754 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1754-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1754.123082024730925 (code B ref 1754); Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:40:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1754) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Jan 2009 14:30:47 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id n01EUhvs030917 for <1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:30:45 -0800 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Jan 2009 14:30:37 -0000 Original-Received: from p57A0939B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.2]) [87.160.147.155] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 01 Jan 2009 15:30:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18588216 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/arJ0QkEbafPGuK9OEzDjHWjTj85AF3b5TWlA1dg lklI7ZV8s/fjGg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <495CCA75.1020808@f2s.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.78 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:43:26 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:23654 Archived-At: Jason Rumney wrote: > grischka wrote: >> Sorry, but "probably" is not a category that matters with binary logic >> like whether something is "on" or "off". > > Users' personal preferences and the various permutations of > *-frame-alist are not binary logic. > Maybe users' preferences aren't binary but the ways to express them towards the program are. And the permutations performed by the program are certainly binary too, that doesn't change by the fact that they are maybe not well understood.