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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: 32643@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32643: 26; minor-mode variables
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:18:45 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1fxnCb-0005Ky-0P@fencepost.gnu.org>

>   > It doesn't say why some do and some don't.  Why doesn't it?  What's the
>   > answer to that question?  For example, why doesn't variable
>   > `auto-fill-mode' exist?  Shouldn't all minor modes have a variable?
>   > Which ones should?
> 
> It is not crucial for the manual to answer "why" questions.
> If this one were easy to answer, it could be worth answering.
> But in fact this one would be a lot of work.

I get that you replied only about that intro paragraph. And no,
it's not "crucial" to explain "why" about everything. Far from it.

And I guess you're only speaking against any blanket requirement
to explain "why" everywhere, and not against a request that
`auto-fill-mode' have a variable etc.

But the real point of the bug report is that we _do_ say that a
minor mode should have (and set) a mode variable:

  Define a variable whose name ends in '-mode'.  We call this the
  "mode variable".  The minor mode command should set this
  variable.

And that "should" is not respected by some variables from basic
Emacs itself - in particular `auto-fill-mode'. Shouldn't it be?

Nothing requires everything in the Emacs distribution to respect
each convention that Emacs sets forth. But is there a reason why
`auto-fill-mode' (and others?) should not respect this convention?
If nothing else, I'm curious why the exception(s).

(The bug report also asks whether it's a bug for a mode not to have
a variable, and suggests that it is. And if it's not, the report asks that
the Elisp manual give some guidance about when a mode should
not or need not have a variable.)





  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-06 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-05 15:13 bug#32643: 26; minor-mode variables Drew Adams
2018-09-06  5:51 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-06 14:18   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-09-06 14:33     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08  2:07     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-08  2:25       ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 20:33         ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-09 22:09           ` Drew Adams
2018-09-12  0:51             ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-12  1:46               ` Drew Adams
2018-09-13  3:32               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-13 13:28                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-09-09  6:05       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-09 14:12         ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10  7:27           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]   ` <<494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-06 14:51       ` Drew Adams
2018-09-06 18:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <<<494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<488f04e4-8389-459b-b3c7-603e48bed452@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83lg8ewk2c.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-07  0:10           ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07  6:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08  5:13             ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-08 13:58               ` Drew Adams
2018-09-08 17:53                 ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]   ` <<<<494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<<488f04e4-8389-459b-b3c7-603e48bed452@default>
     [not found]         ` <<<83lg8ewk2c.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<fb9c0be1-c9da-4cf8-aab3-fd54a0a97e68@default>
     [not found]             ` <<83lg8dvmia.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-07 15:07               ` Drew Adams

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