From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1322: dedicated *Help* and M-x help-for-help Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:06:18 +0100 Message-ID: <49186A0A.40601@gmx.at> References: Reply-To: martin rudalics , 1322@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226338235 11001 80.91.229.12 (10 Nov 2008 17:30:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) To: Geoff Gole , 1322@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 10 18:31:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kzabq-00064b-S8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:31:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56218 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kzaaj-0002tz-4j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kzaab-0002qX-AU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kzaaa-0002q0-H2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59085 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzaaZ-0002ps-Pr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:45657) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzaaZ-0006Sm-D7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAAHU6lG007346; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:30:07 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mAAHF2K6003502; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:02 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: martin rudalics Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1322 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1322-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1322.12263368972147 (code B ref 1322); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1322) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 17:08:17 +0000 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id mAAH8CwA002137 for <1322@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:08:14 -0800 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2008 17:08:05 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-42-253.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.42.253]) [62.47.42.253] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 18:08:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+W0js1mFiWvnOlfO1p6emE+OeX0NTc0KhgeXcXHr y9Bmv0DcPmACy1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.74 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22267 Archived-At: > Would it be ok to just work around this by giving the > help-for-help buffer a title that is not "*Help*"? Most uses of > special-display-buffer-names aren't going to cause this problem. `help-for-help' pops up the *Help* buffer in a separate frame. Typing a character now may cause its window display something else. Thereafter, `help-for-help', recalling that it popped up a frame and wrongly assuming that the user has finished viewing its buffer, decides to iconify the frame. So giving the `help-for-help' buffer another name ("title") should indeed fix this and I initially thought to go that way. But, on the other hand, we usually _want_ to reuse that frame for displaying other help instead of having to deal with two separate help-related frames. An easy solution is to use an extra variable, set by `help-for-help' and reset by `with-help-window', to control iconification. But I never had the time to check whether all functions run by `help-for-help' also run `with-help-window'. martin