From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445178326 22194 80.91.229.3 (18 Oct 2015 14:25:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:25:26 +0000 (UTC) To: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 16:25:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Znotb-0000w5-I5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:25:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34157 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znota-0002EQ-M5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:25:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnotV-0002Ca-LI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:25:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnotS-0002Xd-Fe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:36311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnotS-0002XW-DQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnotS-0005b5-1U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:25:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.144517827221456 (code B ref -1); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:25:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2015 14:24:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55246 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosx-0005Zw-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55875) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosu-0005Zb-TP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znost-0002TE-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57812) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znost-0002TA-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37648) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znoss-00024p-Ij for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosp-0002Su-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosp-0002Sc-7D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t9IEOJQh031524 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:24:20 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9IEOJ6P022386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:24:19 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9IEOJg8016022 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:24:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107710 Archived-At: Apparently (at least from searching package.el and (emacs) `Packages' and its subnodes), nowhere do we tell users the effect of using the package system on `load-path'. (Variable `load-path' is mentioned in a couple of doc strings, but only for "internal-only" functions.) There is this comment in the Commentary of `package.el': ;; At activation time we will set up the load-path and the info path, ;; and we will load the package's autoloads. If a package's ;; dependencies are not available, we will not activate that package. I think it is important (helpful) to explicitly make the connection for users between `load-path' and the package system. Please consider making it clear. Even just a statement such as the one in that comment would help. Here is one demonstration of the confusion that might be avoided if such information were made more readily available: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2015-10/msg00331.html In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-10-06 Bzr revision: a4a98a1b2568793ead43e824ecf227768759df12 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include''