From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#456: menu-bar does not resize window Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:39:12 +0200 Message-ID: <485CF670.3010602@gmx.at> References: <4be34f530806202238w17121692g4b598cc8f0402333@mail.gmail.com> <485CB10E.1050307@gmx.at> <4be34f530806210224w747c13eam7137dd6fe3e5b618@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: martin rudalics , 456@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214053648 22758 80.91.229.12 (21 Jun 2008 13:07:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 456@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: David Trallero Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 21 15:08:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KA2p8-00013B-AT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KA2oJ-0005mT-G0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KA2oE-0005mE-AP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KA2oC-0005le-Vd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34584 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KA2oC-0005lS-LC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:39779) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KA2oB-0006QO-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5LD79kI024762; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:07:10 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m5LCo2Cr019384; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:50:02 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: martin rudalics Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 456 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 456-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B456.121405205618163 (code B ref 456); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 456) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Jun 2008 12:40:56 +0000 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id m5LCekq3018157 for <456@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:40:48 -0700 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jun 2008 12:40:40 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-60-33.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.60.33]) [62.47.60.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp068) with SMTP; 21 Jun 2008 14:40:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+hBWQXR4OhlbSyAz/i2N3216cPfrhco+R0HEJdZX VXgYV4/iA8Y6lD User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en In-Reply-To: <4be34f530806210224w747c13eam7137dd6fe3e5b618@mail.gmail.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:07:13 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:18479 Archived-At: >>This happens by design. The driving idea behind is, that the numbers of >>lines for displaying buffers should remain unaltered when menu-/toolbars >>are added/removed. There were discussions about the desired behavior in >>the past but no conclusion as far as I recall. > > Oops! sorry then. I do not want to re-open the topic. You can't ;-) It's still unclosed, see http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=25 > I personally think that > behavior is not correct because many visual non-desired effects are produced. ISTR bad interaction with some window managers. > For example if you change to another buffer which has a bigger "tool-bar" that > needs two lines, all text is moved up and down. Can you explain this in more detail? > Unfortunately, I do not know > the reason why emacs is "line-oriented" instead of being "window-representa- > tion independent". Quite often you want an exact text-layout within a window. For example, you might want windows to display exactly 80 columns of buffer text. Adding/removing scroll-bars shouldn't change that. And what holds for the width of windows should probably also hold for their height. > Even more, I think it should be possible to overlay the menu in the > graphical mode > when the mouse pointer is "over it", after all, what you desire is to > have as much > space as possible for editing. I don't understand what you mean here. Please elaborate. martin