From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9074: 24.0.50; problems trying to mail bug report, again Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:34:26 -0700 Message-ID: <46232DA8B2B14A4DA18949CDFE99F65A@us.oracle.com> References: <3663BA016BAB46B3970AF42151AA73C4@us.oracle.com><19998.12336.856901.912384@fencepost.gnu.org><0B0D5E9653C044619A7E666BB31A90E3@us.oracle.com><877h7lz2n2.fsf@gmx.li><319A1AE11254433E913464E53A257FD4@us.oracle.com><9707E51C3F48486F8F5546673697E43C@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312306543 3051 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2011 17:35:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9074@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 02 19:35:38 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsT-0006Ms-RD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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I think it's really the only possible > answer given that "emacs -Q" specifically means to ignore as much as > possible user configurations. What are you talking about? Don't do what? I have no problem with the fact that emacs -Q means to ignore user configs. What are you talking about? The hoops I spoke of were to have to use a different (e.g. old) Emacs session to report a bug in the latest Emacs build. Why? Because the current builds do not work! They do not let you mail a bug report. Please read the bug thread. This is a regression. Emacs users should be able to _easily_ report a bug from emacs -Q. And on Windows, at least, their ordinary mail client (e.g. Outlook) should be invoked and the bug text made available on the clipboard, as previously. I cannot believe you would think this regression is somehow an improvement. I can only guess that you have not read the thread or do not understand the added obstacles to user reporting. Have you seen bug #9155? It shows that after I reported #9074 some changes were apparently made (perhaps to remedy some of the #9074 problems?) that broke things even more. Do you consider the behavior reported in #9155 an improvement? It is now impossible for me to send a bug report from recent Emacs 24 builds. I have submitted several reports since this was broken, but all have had to be from older Emacs builds (e.g. releases), even though they are reporting problems in the recent builds.