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[89.161.0.90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm359777lfa.24.2019.09.20.02.17.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 02:17:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <834l17tldj.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166750 Archived-At: > (...) They are highly popular key bindings that I, FWIW, am using > every day. Even 'M-' that does something opposite to 'M-d', when and 'C-d' do the same thing? Doesn't that bother you? For me it's inconsistency, but maybe there is a reason for this... > And btw, I can never understand these arguments about changing what > Emacs does by default. You can easily rebind the keys yourself, so > why force your personal preferences on everyone else? If I would want to change 'C-a' to 'C-b' (or 'C-S-' as I tried, but not any more) then you are right, but not in this case. The above example is not a change just because I like it (I don't even use it), but rather spotting inconsistency and pointing it out. As for 'C-' also "no", because I was trying to reuse something that is already there ('M-'). But fine, someone may use 'C-...', so I could leave it alone as well.