From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13823: 24.3.50; Elisp manual description of property `pure' Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:38:49 -0800 Message-ID: <44067C263DF1446CAD9EEC961BD7CC7F@us.oracle.com> References: <7C809B3AAAD746858CBC43BE77242FAA@us.oracle.com><3AF2F1A8C17548BCA8F85106499E18D2@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361939955 24385 80.91.229.3 (27 Feb 2013 04:39:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13823@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 27 05:39:38 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYnq-0006HR-C5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:39:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58002 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYnV-0006i4-Fx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:39:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYnS-0006fq-Sf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:39:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYnR-0002Pf-Rj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:39:14 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYnR-0002Pb-NX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:39:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYpB-0008GF-IF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:41:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13823 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13823-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13823.136194004931735 (code B ref 13823); Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13823) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Feb 2013 04:40:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52180 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYoy-0008Fo-Q1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:40:49 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:36592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UAYow-0008Ff-1U for 13823@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:40:47 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r1R4ctnd016766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:38:56 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1R4csUQ001518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:38:55 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r1R4csbm007614; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:38:54 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.140.20) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:38:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac4UiTVx3lpg5n9WT9+9NyCBPvj0igAFnPPA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71883 Archived-At: > go straight to the point. E.g. ask "Could we have it > be properly documented, please?". Oh, that's just what I did, in bug #13052: >> How about documenting this `pure' property? and later in that same thread: >> In any case, this property should be documented. Another user agreed and added that "We can be happy that [Emacs Dev does not just tell users] `Do not use this'." To which, ironically, the response was in fact to "document" it by just telling users "Do not set it." Bug #13823 is an attempt to get beyond that reaction constructively. You asked me to come up with a description of what it does. I proposed some text based on my understanding, inviting correction. Dunno whether you even read it. Your response was to tell me I should not assume you know more about this than I, and that I should anyway just ask that it be properly documented. So one more time: "Could we have it be properly documented, please?" It is the only standard symbol property listed in (elisp) `Standard Properties' about which we say virtually nothing and for which there is no cross reference to a section that covers it.