From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 56682@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#56682: feature/improved-locked-narrowing 9dee6df39c: Reworked locked narrowing.
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:42:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <43562d4dd9dffd81938f@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bkmdz04y.fsf@gnu.org>
>
> I must admit that it's very strange to hear this from you.
>
When I erred, I have no problems whatsoever to admit that I erred.
>
> Those very opinions were voiced by several other people over the last
> year, and you always disagreed with these very arguments in the
> strongest terms, citing various use cases and data points, with several
> relevant files and modes. I wonder what have happened that you now see
> in the code what you didn't see then, even when others told you they saw
> it.
>
I don't think it's useful to start a discussion about what I said and
meant to say, but FTR I do not agree with the above. The only thing I
strongly disagreed with is Dmitry's claim that the existing mechanisms are
sufficient to limit the damage of ill-behaving modes. For the rest, I
tried to find the best compromise to handle buffers with long lines as
well as possible. As we all know, determining where to place the cursor
is hard. I did believe that adding a forced narrowing would be helpful,
and in some cases it is, but in other cases it isn't, and all in all I now
consider that Emacs would be in a better shape without that mechanism.
In particular, the fifth point is the result of the (recent) addition of a
mechanism to unlock a locked narrowing, which makes the exercise almost
pointless.
>
> Anyway, after thinking about this, I cannot agree to removing what we
> now have on emacs-29. It's too late for that, and I'm not prepared to
> delay the pretest for any significant time. So we will go into the
> pretest with what we have, and decide what to do with it in Emacs 29.2
> and 30.1 according to how the chips will fall.
>
Okay, if that's your decision. IMO just going back to what the code did
earlier is (very) safe, but I cannot do that without your approval.
>
> I guess by suggesting to remove the code you were also telling me that
> you won't be fixing those documentation issues, which you promised to
> work on a month ago? If so, I guess this is one more buck that stops
> with me...
>
Even if I think it's not TRT to do, I can still do that.
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[not found] ` <20221125175209.51166C004B6@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <jwvk028zxbs.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2022-12-30 16:38 ` bug#56682: feature/improved-locked-narrowing 9dee6df39c: Reworked locked narrowing Gregory Heytings
2022-12-30 16:41 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-30 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-30 17:25 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-30 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-12 9:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-14 21:38 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-26 7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-28 15:11 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-28 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 9:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-30 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 15:03 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-30 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 17:24 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-30 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 17:56 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-30 18:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 18:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-30 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 21:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-30 21:49 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-30 23:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-31 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-31 15:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-31 15:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-31 16:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-31 15:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-31 16:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-31 21:46 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-31 22:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-01 18:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-01 20:46 ` dick
2023-02-01 22:42 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2023-02-02 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-03 0:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-03 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-03 22:12 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-04 6:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 1:57 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-09 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-02-13 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-10 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-10 23:05 ` Gregory Heytings
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2023-02-09 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 17:57 ` Juri Linkov
2023-02-10 16:46 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-02-11 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-13 11:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-13 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 10:30 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-14 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 14:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-14 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 22:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-15 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 13:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-15 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 14:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-18 23:12 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-19 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <a9b3c867-aa6a-2979-a83-dd700e985c9@heytings.org>
2023-03-29 14:52 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 0:27 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 5:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 9:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 14:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 15:41 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 17:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 21:56 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-02 5:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-04 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
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2023-05-04 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-04 15:45 ` Gregory Heytings
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2023-05-05 21:29 ` Gregory Heytings
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2023-05-12 12:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-12 22:18 ` Gregory Heytings
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