From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45806: 26.3; `menu-bar-separator' Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 08:34:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4313a39b-5d20-4fff-ab14-fb9be0a43a78@default> References: <<73e90890-b70a-4eb8-aa9e-d40959d1e1ec@default>> <<83pn2adwn1.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1786"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 45806@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 12 17:37:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMfX-0000LY-9L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:37:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48642 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMfW-00014H-A6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:37:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMdK-000897-1o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:35:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49626) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMdJ-0006tq-PP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:35:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMdJ-0006S2-KC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:35:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45806 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 45806-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45806.161046925624730 (code B ref 45806); Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:35:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45806) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2021 16:34:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32939 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMcZ-0006Qo-ON for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:40510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kzMcX-0006QV-6b for 45806@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:34:14 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 10CGXmLX002150; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:34:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=MQRwa0+LAfzijmmSVVKKNF6+T+AXn5JZ2/EMg7zIfdc=; b=FW66FF/Tyy2ADo2hGTql7LQarmjWoJILEPk9YQy4cnpESX6H3S4GaWqPEjWLdICQr9j1 bOGOKd9Xhyu1C5naGyF2jFE57H6l/8ktOc5lA4eI8XZC/Db5vhbbs8lGNnKRpUWaNRQz YHoLHB4XkKVl/XnzFwV0j3wTawPr73Q4LKB/RdxKMJJXuroE0Xy+OLo7XQfBFzgT84P6 XPEenuKL9i+dAMxT9gg7aIVXuZkKbA6ZiUVTJx0tP3iwEeRps3FGoFX8eT4PgtH6d50a 3Em2FK8upICaVbRNar6oQUPE2ZGgF4xke3rTumjLwRAzdJRGavrpCIg//l12GSVd0cdn rQ== Original-Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 360kcyq9bm-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:34:07 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 10CGQYrt158777; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:34:06 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 360keh90d0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:34:06 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 10CGY5rm030791; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:34:05 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83pn2adwn1.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5095.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9862 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2101120094 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9862 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2101120095 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197804 Archived-At: > Sorry, this name is with us for too long to rename it now. Not a great reason not to rename and alias. > > How is it actually used? Is it used only in (some?) toolkits? >=20 > Look at menu-bar.el (obviously), it's used all over there. On all the > toolkits and also in no-toolkit builds. I already looked at all occurrences in the Lisp sources. AFAICT, _none_ of those occurrences show how it's used in the sense of explaining its effect. I'm looking for info about its implementation and what it actually does - info presumably available in some C code. HOW it does what it does. See also the question about whether it's used only by toolkits. In GUI Emacs on MS Windows, for instance, the effect of a separator is a continuous separator line, while the effect with `emacs -nw' seems to be a pair of hyphen chars. > > It's a defconst (why?), so presumably you shouldn't change it. But > > changing it doesn't seem to have any effect anyway, in MS Windows. If > > this is hard-coded then why is it even needed? >=20 > See above. If you really want to see the effect of changing it > (why?), I think you will need to rebuild Emacs. You think so? How about having the doc specify that, or whatever the actual behavior is. FWIW, this bug report is a result of seeing this user question: "Is it possible to change the menu separator?" https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/62717/105