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Mandel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12886: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-943890168 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352915674 26889 80.91.229.3 (14 Nov 2012 17:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:54:34 +0000 (UTC) To: 12886@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 14 18:54:44 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAh-00078T-Qu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:54:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49487 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAY-0002rx-6s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:54:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45106) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAS-0002rD-Sh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:54:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAP-0001SH-QR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:54:28 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:60481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAP-0001SD-Mh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:54:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAz-0001GR-TB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:55:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mark A. 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So I've copied the whole message and am sending it = through the regular office email. Consider yourselves tickled.** ----------------------------- From: Mark Mandel To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cc: Mark Mandel Subject: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: = --text follows this line-- I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by looking for substrings. But when I use ctl-H ctl-A I see (what I guess is) the Gnu Emacs welcome or general info screen, and the minibuffer = says something like "To search for help on a subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": that is, "Keep hitting your head against this wall." I tried it several times, with the same dumb result.=20 Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in the ctl-H ? help command list. That worked, and *that*'s what the minibuffer should say under the general info screen. My email address is mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu, not the almost certainly useless address that this bug report command put into the "From:" line=20= (mamandel@Mark-Mandels-iMac-2.local). So I have changed it up there and also added my address as Cc. -- Mark A. Mandel In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) of 2010-05-08 on black.local Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 configured using `configure '--host=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' = '--build=3Di686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' = 'build_alias=3Di686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' = 'CC=3Dgcc -mmacosx-version-min=3D10.5'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: nil value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Apropos Minor modes in effect: show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: s-v =20 =20 =20 =20 s-=3D s-=3D s-=3D =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 x b =20 =20 x b 1 . SPC =20 2 . SPC =20 =20 =20 =20 x b 3 . SPC =20 =20 x b =20 =20 =20 =20 . s-a s-c s-v =20 C-SPC > C-w =20 =20 x w r a p =20 =20 =20 C-g=20 C-h C-a C-g C-x b =20 C-h C-a C-h C-a C-b C-g C-x b C-h=20 a C-g C-c C-h C-x C-g C-g C-g =20 C-x 0 =20 =20 =20 C-h C-a =20 C-g C-b C-g C-z C-x b C-x 1 C-h a r e g i=20 o n =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 C-h a w r a p =20 C-x 0 Recent messages: call-interactively: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in = minibuffer For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 = times] Buffer is read-only: # Quit [2 times] Type C-x 1 to delete the help window. Quit [2 times] byte-code: Beginning of buffer [4 times] For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Quit [2 times] Type C-x 1 to remove help window. =20 byte-code: End of buffer [3 times] Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug help-mode view apropos paren cus-start cus-load time tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win easymenu tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs) --Apple-Mail-3-943890168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu>
= Cc: Mark Mandel <mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu>
Subject: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos"
Date: Wed, 14 = Nov 2012 12:07:24 -0500
Message-ID: = <ev5j7amwykxgdv.fsf@Mark-Mandels-iMac-2.local.i-did-not-set--mail-host-= address--so-tickle-me>
--text follows this = line--
I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., = find commands by
looking for substrings. But when I use ctl-H = ctl-A I see (what I guess
is) the Gnu Emacs welcome or general = info screen, and the minibuffer says something like
"To search = for help on a subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": that is, = "Keep
hitting your head against this wall." I tried it several = times, with the
same dumb = result. 

Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in = the ctl-H ? help command list. That
worked, and *that*'s what = the minibuffer should say under the general
info = screen.

My email address is mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu, not = the almost certainly
useless address that this bug report = command put into the "From:" line 
(mamandel@Mark-Mandels-i= Mac-2.local). So I have changed it up there and
also added = my address as Cc.

-- Mark A. = Mandel



In GNU = Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS = apple-appkit-1038.29)
 of 2010-05-08 on = black.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version = 10.3.1038
configured using `configure =  '--host=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=3Di686-apple-darwin' = '--with-ns' 'build_alias=3Di686-apple-darwin' = 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=3Dgcc = -mmacosx-version-min=3D10.5''

Important = settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value = of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: = nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value = of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: = nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of = $LANG: nil
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  = locale-coding-system: nil
  default = enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: = Apropos

Minor modes in effect:
  = show-paren-mode: t
  display-time-mode: = t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: = t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  = file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: = t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: = t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  = auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode: = t
  line-number-mode: t
  = transient-mark-mode: t

Recent = input:
s-v <help-echo> <wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
s-=3D s-=3D s-=3D = <help-echo> <wheel-up> <wheel-up> = <wheel-up> 
<wheel-up> <wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> 
<drag-mouse-1> = <escape> x b <return> = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> = <escape> 
x b <return> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 1 . SPC = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-1> 2 . SPC = <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> 
<drag-mouse-1> = <backspace> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
<backspace> <backspace> = <backspace> = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> = <escape> 
x b <return> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 3 . SPC = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> = <escape> 
x b <return> <wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<wheel-down> = <wheel-down> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-movement> 
<mouse-movement> = <drag-mouse-1> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> . = s-a s-c <wheel-up> s-v <return> 
C-SPC = <escape> > C-w <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> <wheel-down> = <wheel-down> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> = <escape> x w r a p <tab> = <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> = <backspace> = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> C-g 
C-h C-a = C-g <return> C-x b <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
C-h C-a C-h C-a <return> C-b C-g = C-x b <return> C-h 
a C-g C-c C-h C-x C-g C-g C-g = <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> C-x 0 <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
<wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> 
C-h C-a = <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <drag-mouse-1> = <help-echo> 
C-g C-b C-g C-z C-x b <return> = C-x 1 C-h a r e g i 
o n <return> <help-echo> = <wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> = <wheel-up> 
<double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> = <wheel-down> 
<double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <wheel-down> 
<double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> <wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> 
<wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<wheel-up> = <wheel-up> <wheel-up> C-h a w r a p = <return> 
C-x 0 <menu-bar> <help-menu> = <send-emacs-bug-repor
t>

Recent = messages:
call-interactively: Command attempted to use = minibuffer while in minibuffer
For information about GNU Emacs = and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 times]
Buffer is = read-only: #<buffer *About GNU Emacs*>
Quit [2 = times]
Type C-x 1 to delete the help window.
Quit [2 = times]
byte-code: Beginning of buffer [4 times]
For = information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h = C-a.
Quit [2 times]
Type C-x 1 to remove help = window.  
byte-code: End of buffer [3 = times]

Load-path shadows:
None = found.

Features:
(shadow sort = mail-extr message ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec
password-cache = mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse = rfc2231
rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader = gnus-util netrc
time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils = wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1
hex-util hashcash mail-utils = emacsbug help-mode view apropos paren
cus-start cus-load time = tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
mwheel ns-win = easymenu tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode
register = page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag = mouse
jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham = georgian
utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet = lao korean
japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech = european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook = jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev
loaddefs button minibuffer = faces cus-face files text-properties overlay
md5 base64 format = env code-pages mule custom widget
hashtable-print-readable = backquote make-network-process ns = multi-tty
emacs)

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