From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:16:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> References: <1M2WN8RSJh3rnvRYoGKu2FOYFosKFsYxRLesaZKzA6dmdXLvGsxZNON-D3zRMgv-FkPqF2qFTurWu3u2ruoKK1QSzHheoICPo2MIi7VR6lc=@proton.me> <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24453"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 01:17:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oikyb-00064w-69 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 01:17:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58180 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikyZ-000340-O6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:17:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikyH-00033c-3r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oikyE-0002sv-K1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:17:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oikyE-0004RI-75 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166561659117022 (code B ref 58459); Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2022 23:16:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oikxi-0004QS-NV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:16:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.25]:48741) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oikxe-0004QD-CB for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:16:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665616579; x=1665875779; bh=KIBhYPQvFxe+e4R1vAgCmBXXvX+eScGeZMuaM5yoAzA=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=aIbJEmgxa9bicE+zsp47ihk+F34Q7IHkii3P36PPpC/X35fzrF2chMCFmK7m1NOwG H01cmtK57XXe0jLCMuZquGrBPVbrz2zDhNYts5Yx8REoX+BwBBqMoClUmbUEx5t5nT 4UmXreyOp+2cAi/rlLULeTRh2A2PTiBH+qyhgXvTHYci1OgzVaFiAnzqlUUmfd/i37 rkqqLYeFpv1cKUtwR5tbxrQwqsu8LfXNPGcXi/iKqDZfC3uVA/Be/ye7cEUH7FRRpK 6+Xx7o0YQ4CWcw14SeFPiWTf90S62Y6oOIgmvomRjXMSFszOrWjNP3z141P3OfDubx SKezb+aj8ja+Q== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245255 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, October 12th, 2022 at 10:47 PM, Phil Sainty wrote: > On 2022-10-13 10:11, uzibalqa wrote: >=20 > > I am continually amazed how unreactive emacs maintainers can be to > > users. Either shaming them, make them look stupid >=20 >=20 > Wow? This discussion has been between you and Stefan Kangas, and at > no point has Stefan been anything other than polite and informative! Early on in the discussion, the response was immediately "notabug close thanks". But perhaps you are right and I am being excessive. Nevertheless, I am yet to be convinced how this resource thing is straightforward. =20 > > but then months or years later, it gets recognised they were right > > all along. >=20 >=20 > This is how X resources have always worked (for decades) -- I can't > imagine them changing, and Emacs provides ways for you to inhibit > them (or indeed add to them). Looks that "internal-set-lisp-face-attribute-from-resource" is doing the wo= rk. So if emacs does not not even find an emacs init file, why does it start la= unching them. =20 > You said you saw the problem with this: >=20 > emacs -q --no-site-file --no-splash >=20 > but not with "emacs -Q". >=20 > The documentation says: >=20 > =E2=80=98-Q=E2=80=99 > =E2=80=98--quick=E2=80=99 > Start Emacs with minimum customizations. This is similar to using > =E2=80=98-q=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98--no-site-file=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98--no-sit= e-lisp=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98--no-x-resources=E2=80=99, and > =E2=80=98--no-splash=E2=80=99 together. >=20 > So the difference that using -Q made was equivalent to adding these: >=20 > --no-site-lisp > --no-x-resources >=20 > And as discussed, it's specifically this: >=20 > =E2=80=98--no-x-resources=E2=80=99 > Do not load X resources. You can also achieve this effect by > setting the variable =E2=80=98inhibit-x-resources=E2=80=99 to =E2=80= =98t=E2=80=99 in your > initialization file (*note Resources::). >=20 > So you can use either of those solutions if you don't wish to change > the X resources configured on your system. >=20 > -Phil Something must be going on, perhaps in the distro or desktop environment th= at could be=20 using something outside the traditional X11 approach to loading Xresources.= Or something else. I am using one of the Official Gnu Distributions (Trisquel 9). These syste= ms should work well together with Gnu Programs. At least, it is always said things are pl= anned to be this way.