menu help echo

menu help echo

[Dr Francis J. Wright]

In GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386-msvc-nt4.0.1381)
 of 2002-03-19 on buffy
configured using `configure --with-msvc (12.00)'
Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: ENG
  locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:

In the emacs-21.1.90 pretest, menu help echo was working, but in this
version it no longer works.  For example, the File menu now produces no
help echo, whereas previously every item in it did produce help echo. 
First brief testing suggests that help echo for items other than menu
items does appear to work.  (Starting Emacs with no init file makes no
difference.)

Recent input:
<help-echo> <C-down-mouse-1> <menu-bar> <help-menu> 
<report-emacs-bug>

Recent messages:
(E:\NTEmacs\emacs-21.2\bin\emacs.exe)
Loading advice...done
Loading e:/NTEmacs/emacs-21.2/bin/fns-21.2.1.el (source)...done
Loading easymenu...done
Source file `e:/NTEmacs/site-lisp/eol-conversion.el' newer than
byte-compiled file
Loading regexp-opt...done
Loading eldoc...done
For information about the GNU Project and its goals, type C-h C-p.
Loading image...done
Loading emacsbug...done

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Re: menu help echo

[Jason Rumney]

"Dr Francis J. Wright" <f.j.wright@qmul.ac.uk> writes:

> In GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386-msvc-nt4.0.1381)
>  of 2002-03-19 on buffy

> In the emacs-21.1.90 pretest, menu help echo was working, but in this
> version it no longer works.

I have noticed this on my work PC, also with the prebuilt binary on
NT4.0.  At home though, the menu help works, but built from source I
checked out of CVS myself around the time the release was made, and on
XP.

Three possibilities:

1) The API messages used to produce menu help on Windows are not
   supported on NT4.0.  Before your report, I assumed this was the
   case (since I know those messages are not sent by the OS on older
   versions of Windows).  But if you saw the menu help working in the
   pretests on the same machine that it doesn't work on now, this
   possibility is eliminated I think.

2) Something went wrong with the 21.2 snapshot that caused some older
   versions of w32fns.c or w32menu.c to be included instead of the
   latest versions on the release branch.

3) Something was different on Andrew's machine when he compiled 21.2,
   (an operating system downgrade?) causing the menu help to not be
   compiled in.  Seems unlikely.


Perhaps someone else can shed light on which of the above
possibilities it is.  Does any Windows user see help in the minibuffer
when they move the mouse over the items in the File menu?  Did you
build from source, or are you using the prebuilt binary?  And which
version of Windows are you using?

-- 
Jason Rumney

Re: menu help echo

[Harald.Maier.BW]

"Dr Francis J. Wright" <f.j.wright@qmul.ac.uk> writes:

> In GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386-msvc-nt4.0.1381)
>  of 2002-03-19 on buffy
> configured using `configure --with-msvc (12.00)'
> 
> In the emacs-21.1.90 pretest, menu help echo was working, but in this
> version it no longer works.  For example, the File menu now produces no
> help echo, whereas previously every item in it did produce help echo. 
> First brief testing suggests that help echo for items other than menu
> items does appear to work.  (Starting Emacs with no init file makes no
> difference.)

  In GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386-msvc-nt5.0.2195)
   of 2002-03-19 on buffy
  configured using `configure --with-msvc (12.00)'

I tried the prebuilt version too on a nt-5.0 system and there the menu
help echo works fine. So it seems that this is a problem only with the
nt4.0.1381 system as Jason's states.

Jason Rumney writes:

> 1) The API messages used to produce menu help on Windows are not
>    supported on NT4.0.  Before your report, I assumed this was the
>    case (since I know those messages are not sent by the OS on older
>    versions of Windows).  But if you saw the menu help working in the
>    pretests on the same machine that it doesn't work on now, this
>    possibility is eliminated I think.


Harald