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* bug#1305: OT: Should the Emacs team leave beep-on-error enabled for the sake of people with vision loss?
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@ 2008-11-06 10:25 ` Peter Rayner
  2008-11-07  2:28   ` Stefan Monnier
  2008-11-09 23:25   ` Xavier Maillard
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Peter Rayner @ 2008-11-06 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 1305

Provided it can be turned off I would leave it on by default.  If my
emacspeak doesn't come up talking it's nice to get *some* feedback
that something is alive.
cheers
Peter


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* bug#1305: OT: Should the Emacs team leave beep-on-error enabled for the sake of people with vision loss?
  2008-11-06 10:25 ` bug#1305: OT: Should the Emacs team leave beep-on-error enabled for the sake of people with vision loss? Peter Rayner
@ 2008-11-07  2:28   ` Stefan Monnier
  2008-11-09 23:25   ` Xavier Maillard
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2008-11-07  2:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: peter.rayner; +Cc: 1305

> Provided it can be turned off I would leave it on by default.  If my
> emacspeak doesn't come up talking it's nice to get *some* feedback
> that something is alive.

The emacspeak config should simply include a (setq visible-bell nil) at
the very beginning.


        Stefan







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* bug#1305: OT: Should the Emacs team leave beep-on-error enabled for the sake of people with vision loss?
  2008-11-06 10:25 ` bug#1305: OT: Should the Emacs team leave beep-on-error enabled for the sake of people with vision loss? Peter Rayner
  2008-11-07  2:28   ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2008-11-09 23:25   ` Xavier Maillard
  2008-11-10  0:34     ` David Reitter
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2008-11-09 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: peter.rayner, 1305; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs, bug-submit-list, 1305


   Provided it can be turned off I would leave it on by default.  If my
   emacspeak doesn't come up talking it's nice to get *some* feedback
   that something is alive.

Correct.

	Xavier
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* bug#1305: OT: Should the Emacs team leave beep-on-error enabled for the sake of people with vision loss?
  2008-11-09 23:25   ` Xavier Maillard
@ 2008-11-10  0:34     ` David Reitter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: David Reitter @ 2008-11-10  0:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xavier Maillard, 1305; +Cc: peter.rayner, bug-gnu-emacs, bug-submit-list

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On 9 Nov 2008, at 18:25, Xavier Maillard wrote:

>
>   Provided it can be turned off I would leave it on by default.  If my
>   emacspeak doesn't come up talking it's nice to get *some* feedback
>   that something is alive.
>
> Correct.

The audible bell is annoying and absolutely non-standard.  It was the  
first thing I turned off in my branch: having Emacs ping loudly  
whenever one reached the end or beginning of the buffer when  
scrolling, or when some key entered wasn't bound, was just not  
acceptable, be it in the open-space office environment or at home.

Why not turn it off by default, but offer a command-line option  
(besides the customization variable) to turn it on when desired?  One  
could even bind the (real, unconditional) bell to some key so that it  
can be invoked to test things.

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