From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net
Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-pure-expression> gives confusing results
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39c015f2-3ebf-43e8-9a37-9b50382042a7@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<83k2gtfue4.fsf@gnu.org>>
> whoever uses current-time-string as a defcustom's value tells Emacs that
> the value is not important, because the programmer has no idea when in
> the process of building and restarting Emacs will the value be taken.
> Why does it make sense to rock the boat in this sensitive area for such
> use cases?
Obviously, `(current-time)' was an example, to demo show the problem.
It can sometimes make a lot of sense for a defcustom to use a sexp
that might not return the same result when reevaluated.
The original bug, from which this report is an offshoot, was #4755.
The example there used this defcustom sexp: `(copy-sequence foo)'.
And in the context of the using code there is nothing wrong with
such a sexp: the intention is really to use, as default value, a
(new) list whose elements are the (exact same) elements as those
in the list `foo'.
And yes, this (intentionally) means that the user option, `toto',
that has this value can share the objects that are its initial
elements. Nothing wrong with using such an initial value for a
user option.
The problem is not with being able to make use of such a sexp for
the default value. The problem is with how Emacs talks about the
state of the option value. It miscommunicates to users. That's
what this bug is about: how Emacs talks about what is going on.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-07-10 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2016-07-09 14:59 ` bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-pure-expression> gives confusing results Drew Adams
2016-07-09 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 20:48 ` npostavs
2016-07-10 14:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-07-10 17:18 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-07-11 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-07-12 0:53 ` Drew Adams
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[not found] ` <<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:09 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
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[not found] ` <<83zipqg3e3.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-10 17:18 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-11 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 3:11 Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 6:31 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 11:54 ` npostavs
2016-07-09 12:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 12:55 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 13:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 13:48 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-12 3:26 ` npostavs
2016-07-12 5:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 14:34 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <<8360sehps4.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:54 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 15:09 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-10 17:23 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-17 14:19 ` bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-constant-expression> " Mauro Aranda
2023-10-17 14:29 ` Mauro Aranda
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