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Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:42:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87y2nugb78.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:182822 Archived-At: On 08.07.2020 02:24, João Távora wrote: > I read your email, but it's very hard to follow your verbal conjectures > that this here or that there will fail catastrophically. No such conjectures there. > I suggest you make a bug report for each bug, describe a recipe for > reproducing the bug. Likewise, if there are shortcomings in the design, > state clearly what you wanted do, but can't. I promise to attend to > them, time permitting. How about you reply to the email I already wrote and ask questions where something is hard to understand? > It's important to disconnect these reports from your fondness for > futures, which is a technique for which we don't have a library or > consensus for. You're ducking away from your previous statements. One message, you accuse me of not implementing everything myself. In the next one, after I offer to do just that, you cut the discussion short and accuse me of fearmongering or something. > Also, I agree with Stefan that things have become tense and agressive, > and no good progress can be made in these conditions. Let's tone it down, then.