From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8638: 24.0.50; Imenu should not include vacuous defvars Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 14:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3361268F57984EC8826DCC27DE425C7D@us.oracle.com> References: <6A3327809B8B440D99CDCDCED77E9575@us.oracle.com> <567CCE5B717E445496B4F685457F16AB@us.oracle.com> <32CD2BCD32154EF29904F03720801519@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1304891421 19020 80.91.229.12 (8 May 2011 21:50:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 21:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8638@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Juanma Barranquero'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 08 23:50:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBrd-0002Lc-6p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 23:50:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33389 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBrc-0005DB-FK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:50:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBrZ-0005BQ-DZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:50:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBrY-0006dT-AT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:50:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBrY-0006d3-4A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:50:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBrW-0001CI-T1; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:50:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 21:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8638 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8638-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8638.13048913694558 (code B ref 8638); Sun, 08 May 2011 21:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8638) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2011 21:49:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBqy-0001BS-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:49:28 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QJBqx-0001BF-H1 for 8638@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2011 17:49:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p48LnJnW026793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 May 2011 21:49:21 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p48LnI7g011210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 May 2011 21:49:19 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt017.oracle.com (abhmt017.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p48LnD0C002022; Sun, 8 May 2011 16:49:13 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.41.120) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 08 May 2011 14:49:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcwNwebds1gVaff5QZqCUjI2Gha/6gAB6I4Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4DC70FE1.00E6:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 17:50:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:46341 Archived-At: > > it is a judgment call based on expectations of what most > > users will want/expect. > > Not users. Developers. And developers are usually interested in a > package's variables. More so in a lexical-binding context, where the > fact that the defvar exists can (and does) alter semantics. Users includes users who develop, and more. Imenu is for all Emacs users, including developers. And the question is not whether developers are interested in a package's variables. It is whether the Variables submenu should include entries for vacuous defvars.