From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31125: 26; (emacs) `Highlight Interactively' Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <314419b3-b645-40de-b3cd-be34956a7247@default> References: <<<57ad2ae3-cfe5-4fca-a503-e106658d3e38@default>>> <<<83efjl3cyk.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<5b84d18a-5781-4ab9-8593-5db385574556@default>> <<83a7u92m60.fsf@gnu.org>> <128680b7-eb89-42ec-9013-a99120d6d8f8@default> <83zi281wpr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523543166 30978 195.159.176.226 (12 Apr 2018 14:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31125@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 12 16:26:02 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6dAo-0007uv-57 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:27:37 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w3CERaHd031491; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:27:37 GMT In-Reply-To: <83zi281wpr.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8860 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=634 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120144 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145148 Archived-At: > We were talking about the user manual, where the reader is not > necessarily a Lisp programmer. For the latter, see "Symbols" > in the ELisp manual. You replied to my parenthetical remark after I said that this bug can be closed, which was precisely about the fact that the Emacs manual does not say anything about Lisp symbols: (It does somehow seem to[o] bad that someone can read the entire Emacs manual without knowing anything about Lisp symbols, including that there is such a critter.) This particular discussion is not related to the bug report, and it is exactly about the fact that the Emacs manual does (too) little to guide users toward Lisp. And some knowledge of Lisp is the single most important aid and guide a user can have, to improve her experience and use of Emacs. This discussion is irrelevant to my (misguided) bug report. But it is not irrelevant to the user manual. A reader of the Emacs manual should not _need_ to know Lisp to be able to read the manual. But that doesn't mean the manual should keep completely clear of Lisp. It could help, I think, for it to occasionally point out some connections that can be helpful for users.