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Mon, 25 May 2020 18:22:18 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04PIDSMc113536; Mon, 25 May 2020 18:22:17 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 317j5jv8ke-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 May 2020 18:22:17 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 04PIMAPe021513; Mon, 25 May 2020 18:22:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <87zh9vgbkc.fsf@laposte.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5005.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9632 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005250146 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9632 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 cotscore=-2147483648 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005250147 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180998 Archived-At: Lots of us use both keyboard and mouse. The difference from some other applications, I think, is that some applications pretty much _require_ you to use a mouse. There's often no keyboard shortcut for this or that operation, and no way to create your own shortcut in the application. This seems to be the problem you're reporting: > the Emacs graphical interface is half broken. > ... it is difficult to navigate with the mouse > or to organize its work because the interface > is not designed this way. How so? Specifically, what's the problem? In what way can you not navigate with the mouse? > The menu, for example, does not open graphical > windows but usual Emacs windows (minibuffer, > echo area, Customize...). OK, good; something concrete. Except ... what do you mean by "graphical windows"? The examples you mention are graphical windows, AFAICT. Do you perhaps mean window-manager windows, i.e., what Emacs calls "frames"? If so, customize `pop-up-frames' to `t', and see if Emacs then does what you want. > Finally, I think it is necessary to clarify > that we use Emacs mainly with the keyboard > because the interface is designed that way > otherwise the user will have false expectations. Is not designed what way? False expectations of what?