From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jxa127@verizon.net Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:15:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <30308840.1509334.1351887345968.JavaMail.root@vms170027> References: <8698659.1494633.1351877357323.JavaMail.root@vms170027> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1351887379 17278 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2012 20:16:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12787@debbugs.gnu.org To: rgm@gnu.org, jxa127@verizon.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 02 21:16:28 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNfF-0003N0-SP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:16:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60986 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNf7-0004q4-5A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:16:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55955) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNf4-0004nl-3N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNf2-0003fL-Jp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNf2-0003fE-G4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNhl-0008Hb-UZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:19:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <8698659.1494633.1351877357323.JavaMail.root@vms170027> Resent-From: jxa127@verizon.net Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12787 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12787-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12787.135188754031830 (code B ref 12787); Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2012 20:19:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46092 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNhj-0008HL-Sm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:19:00 -0400 Original-Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.3]:50905) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUNhh-0008HE-QM for 12787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:18:58 -0400 Original-Received: from vms170027pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCV004OOMY9WV41@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for 12787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:15:46 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from 63.66.64.247 ([63.66.64.247]) by vms170027 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:15:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [63.66.64.247] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:66359 Archived-At: >On 11/02/12, Glenn Morris wrote: > >jxa127@verizon.net wrote: > >> I see your point, however the fact remains that this is a regression >> from Emacs 23 -- and a seemingly arbitrary one at that -- that wasn't >> mentioned in the NEWS. > >The motivation is in this thread: >http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-11/msg00701.html Thank you for pointing me to the link. That helps explain the change. I don't agree with the assertion that "Save As" is left off of most toolbars. Even when it is, though, it is easy to add back on -- something that is not true with Emacs. > >Presumably no-one thought it was NEWSworthy, since it is self-evident. I don't know about other users, but I look to the NEWS to explain changes. It was self-evident that the change was made, but not why the change was made. >We can't go back in time and add it now. Understood. I wasn't asking for that. > >> I'd prefer though, that the buttons go back onto the tool bar be >> default. > >Seems unlikely to me. Why not? Thanks, Drew Ames