From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15117: 24.3.50; doc of `(forward|backward)-*': state return value Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:16:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fefcbaf-9417-4f57-93af-490ea73aea98@default> References: <1dc76f7a-5481-41df-b976-ec22229d7283@default> <874n4a42f0.fsf@building.gnus.org> <1281d0fd-77cb-45e2-b99d-f4ad24b0fc4e@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392067040 25721 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 21:17:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15117@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 10 22:17:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyEF-0007sf-2Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:17:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58208 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyEE-0007ru-Kz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:17:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyE3-0007rW-05 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:17:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyDu-0003l9-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:17:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyDu-0003l5-CC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyDt-0006R8-RT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:17:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 15117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15117.139206700124711 (code B ref 15117); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 21:16:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41857 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyDY-0006QV-KW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:16:40 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyDW-0006QH-PT for 15117@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:16:39 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1ALGVCY013677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:16:32 GMT Original-Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1ALGTZP026309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:16:30 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1ALGSD4000815; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:16:28 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85316 Archived-At: > > These are NOT side-effect functions. They modify nothing except > > the cursor position. >=20 > How is that not a side-effect? You are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing, now. Everything in the universe has side effects. Ohhmmmm. It's true. Motion functions are not what is typically meant by a side-effect function. They do not change the contents of the buffer, for example, in the sense of `buffer-modified-p'. These functions are like `goto-char' and `skip-chars-forward', as mentioned in the bug report. They are also like `forward-line', another motion function whose return value we document. And `beginning-of-defun' - another. By your (newfound) logic, you will presumably remove mention of the return value from the doc for those functions. The same logic behind documenting their return value applies to these other motion functions.