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s=badeba3b8450; t=1559636785; bh=620gQvI4lAkb0IlDAl2kIpgx2KaLubkjw6mxYj1GNfw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=WDUilaMomFDU5mUCFOcy54mhpSdWVHI7fSGF8lHCPHFux6idz+YxYK81HeIXpQh6N 2WdfTn7lIX1FFp+TnDb95QKD3v5rl8kr/esuwbLnyroyGRkiaTqaHe7e8yhjpNt4UP IWhQOQOKkZwUtzcW5KDrlLWbNTttbi6B+3W2pAz4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.222]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LmK3e-1gySxN1xq6-00ZtoX; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:21:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87woibbpxb.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Content-Language: de-DE X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:eMT5YUrqEVaeLw/aevhbELzq4x7fWXY2vDz278+9a4QFDtd3QSl 9Ne9cXI1+o0XurViwmR1o5M4AdQh2BaHLmnymHX5yogRvoxhO6wzO/1PMo8wp49Eo7FMG7I MbeUNybrPEH0Z0t9FCIfZ2KEFselz4LmtVZUDPOw7ffXHEDXVVXW5an8RbBZnuqUKAo/i/I H66TnieSYsrxCXyn5dIDA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:W5i59Lfz6mI=:hVWB5Vvk1QO7CBjuv2E7No rAvoRCck7hC+GFdpKJxG/9wXd0S949Trc6+fRCYtVwdJRoNLs4E1kNJwu+d2K3ggXeuVXPqGX +qGHDiyuUpXvNCsEfWufNKalSccWysCmZ7YqqSp5cP/nF8zXDbk48zqx8Nb1MF6CyD/lY2lC8 ZrjaqnAsyND3ZUZ+5Le+1i+R8mgnN4Z+E2UM2Ai8KuXjFwnqAV9oVDT9qgrl2aZKtSmYJ67sf oL+x0AVu/VIyhuULoC3+pgIRMXQHrzIZsjQBXH/5aEAgq8QOTgUVDmOYFphHnOj4Z4gD8ti/4 p78R18M/5whttLYFyLVNOAGOGMR7W4zjGanMaLz3BRShN4Vl5n90K2UHSEOEvRUF+53cwhqrP zG4dxNDOnRWRdnhpiX9VZq4AMS1vXj0+et8CNUhOQLVXf+ZlLwgHJlLbRqk34HCyy/i3k7FRj VTuIJNIF4naDvbAndQZxWrvMXEzAbUoHh+yCBNXyY0zChDJrP/GF+8ikkm9lOa+m/qx8nS9e6 LAF5jSj7vD+F3vUz0DwXouhVFWBZmX17IeMBU9cKff+TA/3KQpiu91VMId8WWP9mBMCbfhcuq 0WSuX1Uto0goyvMwMre4zvLZCWknZRcI36n9o1GTmnjikq0/xss/VrThgrhzfgRR0NaL8y0c9 xakD584IdQukaU7TA5z2H73z4OrzlGt/wqLTHTkYuQf+1ZFqxZ0wjQWDkC/YgWUTjjWDWRRLR buQJSFiQnFItNfzeShQoDguNohBjlLs2FcthTxyDbViat8+qKTfQjY5YYNqQexgnCmjrj5OO X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:160098 Archived-At: >> I find error messages like "Beginning of buffer" (and the accompanying >> beep) and informative messages like "Mark set" much more annoying. >> What's worse: I see no practical way to turn these off which means >> that I have to decide whether I want to use the mouse-wheel to scroll >> an Emacs buffer or to switch off my loudspeakers. And obviously the >> echo area and the *Messages* buffer get crowded with these completely >> useless (for me) informations. > > Why customizing inhibit-message to t doesn't inhibit these messages? Do you mean to bind that variable around all calls that I find annoying? It would take me days to identify them, write the functions and the bindings ... Anyway. Would you consider an application like Firefox operational if you launch it for the first time in your live, spin your mouse-wheel to find out whether there's something below the part you see on your screen and get a bell ringing and the information that you are at the end of a thing called "buffer"? Or that after selecting some text with the mouse you just have "Mark set"? I think that people need strong nerves to survive their first use of Emacs. But maybe that's the idea, only the fittest survive ... martin