From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20403: Format of NEWS (navigating in it) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:56:50 +1300 Message-ID: <2ecef70596fda1bcaaaa31944a01a39a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <55375867020000A100019F48@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> <87pniex9a4.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="98953"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: Ulrich Windl , 20403@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 31 10:57:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7Ci-000Pc4-BB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:57:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47944 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7Cg-00040w-3A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:57:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CT-0003ea-CV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CR-0001Lj-BB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CQ-0001Jf-6g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CQ-00015S-19 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20403 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 20403-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20403.15725158204170 (code B ref 20403); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 09:57:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52132 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CO-00015C-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:57:00 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:34947) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CM-000153-2F for 20403@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:56:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=57594 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ7CD-0006bp-SV; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:56:50 +1300 Original-Received: from wlgwil-nat-office.catalyst.net.nz ([202.78.240.7]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:56:50 +1300 In-Reply-To: <87pniex9a4.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170502 Archived-At: "Ulrich Windl" writes: > I know it's all a long tradition, but I'd prefer to have one major > section per release. I'd be in favour of that myself (it does seem slightly cleaner), but I'm also not especially bothered by the current format. > While re-discovering outline-mode, I also realized that C-c C-f > [] (and C-c C-b) have to be used twice > to get to the next heading if an ASCII FF (form feed) (plus newline) > character preceeds the heading. Note that the form feeds are there so that you can use page-based commands. e.g.: C-x ] (forward-page) C-x [ (backward-page) C-x n p (narrow-to-page) If I'm checking the history of something, I generally grep the NEWS files, jump to the appropriate hit, and then use C-x [ to check which specific version of Emacs that entry was for. The change I'd actually like to see is for NEWS to just be a symlink to the appropriate NEWS.xx file, which should exist under that name from the outset of development on version xx. That way every NEWS.xx would contain its full history in version-control, rather than just being a renamed NEWS with maybe a handful of retro-added additions. -Phil