From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1470441922 22657 195.159.176.226 (6 Aug 2016 00:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 06 02:05:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp76-0004xL-20 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 02:05:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47549 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp72-0001Gj-RB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:05:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp6v-0001FJ-Pu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:05:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp6s-0006tz-IR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59678) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp6s-0006tu-F5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp6s-0004dS-5f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147044184517749 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 00:04:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp5x-0004cD-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24753) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp5u-0004bi-7a for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7603s6T022658 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:03:55 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7603sx9008013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:03:54 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7603rb5020777; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:03:53 GMT In-Reply-To: <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:121870 Archived-At: > > emacs -Q > > > > M-x customize-option custom-magic-show > > > > Change the value to "no" using Value Menu. > > Choose Set for Current Session. > > > > You can never change it back to another value, because there is no Stat= e > > button. >=20 > Apart from doing a setq manually, there is an "Apply" (it's labeled "Set > for current session" in 24.1) button at the top of the buffer. Huh? I don't understand how that means that this is not a bug. You might not have the will or resources to fix this now, but this certainly must be a bug. If a user can change the value using the Value menu then it should be possible to change it back again, _using the Value menu_. It makes no difference that there might be other ways to change it back. This bug is about using the Value menu (and then the State menu). The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. That's not normal - why should this option be an exception to how Emacs Customize works? And if you change the value to short or long there is no such problem. Using the Value menu to change the value to no should make the State menu disappear. Period. (And the State menu is used for multiple purposes, not just to set the value for the current session.)