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Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:53:51 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CFrpuI029549; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:53:51 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120156 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145158 Archived-At: > > 1. Trying again now, I can repro the problem only in Emacs 24.5, > > not in the more recent releases/builds. >=20 > That could be, but I guess it means you reported the bug from a binary > other than the one where the problem happened? No. I reported it from the Emacs 26 RC1, and the problem happened in that version. And I tested it with `emacs -Q' in that version. I likely reported it (M-x report-emacs-bug) using my setup, but with the same binary that I tested using emacs -Q. And I tested using emacs -Q also in Emacs 25.3.1, 24.5, 24.4, 23.4, and even 22.3 and 20. > > 2. I'm sure I tested those multiple builds, using `emacs -Q', > > going back to see whether it ever worked and, if so, in > > what release it became broken. IIRC, found that prior to > > Emacs 24 those terms were not links; in Emacs 24.4 the > > links worked correctly; and starting with Emacs 24.5, > > through 27 (3rd snapshot) the links were broken. > > > > 3. I don't know how or why I saw different behavior then > > than now, when I retest. >=20 > We've been through that before. Have we? Please tell me how what I saw is possible, in that case. > May I suggest that next time this happens you keep notes > about the exact steps you took while reproducing the problem? > > > I don't know what you mean, > > about somehow reading Info files that didn't come with > > the same binary. How would that even happen? >=20 > It depends on how your system is configured wrt multiple Emacs > versions installed on it, and in particular how you invoke Info. If > you just type "C-h i" or "C-h r", the Info manual you get depends on > whether you keep the share/info directories of different versions > separate or not. They are all separate. Each Emacs version/release is in a separate directory/folder, and all of it is there, in the original subdirs (bin, etc, include,lib, libexec, share, ssl). All I do is extract the zip file obtained from GNU Emacs (e.g. P. Lord's snapshots). I make no changes to the directories or their files. (Even with my own setup I make no such changes - no changes to the distributed files and their directories. But with my own setup I do make changes to some Info functions etc.) So I repeat the question, how could it happen that I would read an Info file that didn't come with the current binary, when using emacs -Q? Unless there is some kind of cache file that Emacs uses for Info that is outside that directory, I don't see how different versions could show the same Info manual version when each is started with emacs -Q. > Also, "C-h i" and "C-h r" go to different places by > default. This is why I always use "C-u C-h i", and then specify the > Info file that corresponds to the Emacs version I'm running. I used `C-h r' to simplify the repro recipe. If invoked from emacs -Q, how can that go elsewhere than the Emacs manual for that binary? > > Sorry for any confusion. I don't really understand what's > > causing the mixup in behavior, but I'm sure that I tested > > each of the releases 24.5, 25.3.1, and 26 using `emacs -Q'. > > But I confirm that doing that again now I don't see the > > problem except in 24.5. >=20 > Then I guess we can close this bug.