> It might work as you expect already. You can try this: > > . After "C-h f some-function RET", switch to the *Help* buffer and > type "C-x RET f utf-8 RET", then save the buffer as in your > recipe. > > . Now visit the file where you saved the *Help* buffer: if the > curved quotes display correctly, then "it works for you". That's exactly what I reported I did. The result was seeing octal escapes when I opened the file in a new Emacs session. Or so I thought. I just repeated it now with `emacs -Q' and it does not seem to be a problem if utf-8 is used. I think now that what I did earlier, when specified utf-8, I was using my setup. When I try that again (with my setup), I see the problem I reported. Also, with my setup the *Warning* text is different. Instead of providing lots of possible encoding choices and using chinese-iso-8bit as the default (which is what I get with emacs -Q - why is that, BTW?), it says: Select one of the safe coding systems listed below, or cancel the writing with C-g and edit the buffer to remove or modify the problematic characters, or specify any other coding system (and risk losing the problematic characters). raw-text no-conversion It was in that context that I anyway tried utf-8 and got the awful result. I also tried raw-text, since utf-8 was not in the prompt (but was apparently accepted, and apparently did not help). The full warning is this, when I use my setup (which uses font "-outline-Lucida Console-normal-normal-normal-mono-14-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1"): These default coding systems were tried to encode text in the buffer 'throw-isearch-help5.txt': (undecided-unix (489 . 8216) (491 . 8217) (499 . 8216) (503 . 8217) (577 . 8216) (583 . 8217) (875 . 8216) (892 . 8217) (912 . 8216) (931 . 8217) (963 . 8216)) (iso-latin-1-unix (489 . 8216) (491 . 8217) (499 . 8216) (503 . 8217) (577 . 8216) (583 . 8217) (875 . 8216) (892 . 8217) (912 . 8216) (931 . 8217) (963 . 8216)) However, each of them encountered characters it couldn't encode: undecided-unix cannot encode these: ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ... iso-latin-1-unix cannot encode these: ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ... Click on a character (or switch to this window by 'C-x o' and select the characters by RET) to jump to the place it appears, where 'C-u C-x =' will give information about it. Select one of the safe coding systems listed below, or cancel the writing with C-g and edit the buffer to remove or modify the problematic characters, or specify any other coding system (and risk losing the problematic characters). raw-text no-conversion I got only a #...# file written with utf-8, as the Emacs 25 build I have crashes all the time, and trying to select the minibuffer frame after the popped-up *Warning* frame grabs the selection just crashes Emacs. And that happens now when I try again, with my setup. I've attached those files from the first try I made for this, with my setup. I see now that the `#...#' one has UTF-8 encoding and the other, `...' without the #s, has encoding `t' in the mode line, which I guess means raw text. To report the problem I then used `emacs -Q', and this time I tried raw text, and I saw the octal escapes. So I mistakenly reported that I saw them after specifying both utf-8 and raw text. > . If the curved quotes look like raw bytes or, worse, pairs of > non-ASCII characters, you need to visit such file like this: > > C-x RET c utf-8 RET C-x C-f FILE-NAME RET Users should not have to do that. I thought they would, like me have that annoyance. > > In Emacs, before saving, the buffer looks fine. > > It looks fine, but the encoding mnemonic on the mode line is not "U" > (which stands for UTF-8), right? That is why Emacs asks you for > encoding: it cannot save these characters using your locale's default > encoding (which is what the *Help* buffer uses by default). > Yes, because you probably told Emacs to use raw-text or somesuch, when > it asked. See above. > > Do I need to save the buffer using some other encoding? If so, which? > > Yes, you could tell it to use UTF-8 when it asked. (After my change, > Emacs will do that automatically, no questions asked, when saving > *Help* buffers with curved quotes.) Sounds good. > > Emacs proposed two encodings (one of which was raw text, which I tried; > > and I tried also utf-8, which I would have thought would show curly > > quotes OK. > > UTF-8 should have worked. I wouldn't expect you to see octal escapes > after saving in UTF-8. See above for, I think, the explanation of what I did and saw. Thx.