From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5105: 23.1; doc string of facemenu-set-face Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:48:00 -0700 Message-ID: <2F904FFA2E054F80832B75EBABFEE8D3@us.oracle.com> References: <3750B6C4FBBD4720926A2FC57778497F@us.oracle.com><46B162590B174FA18FC402384C600E59@us.oracle.com><4D4C3BF277534D7ABBFD7434325A8A1D@us.oracle.com> <87wrewixi2.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312238931 14924 80.91.229.12 (1 Aug 2011 22:48:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5105@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Ingebrigtsen'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 02 00:48:47 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hy-0006ox-VD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:48:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36803 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hy-00010K-DO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:48:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42665) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hs-000109-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:48:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hr-0002Ns-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:48:40 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33885) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hq-0002Ne-Ri for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1IE-0001zZ-8A; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5105 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 5105-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5105.13122389197624 (code B ref 5105); Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2011 22:48:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hq-0001yv-W9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:48:39 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo1Hn-0001ym-L8 for 5105@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p71Mm7pQ026660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:48:09 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p71Mm5lT010170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:48:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p71MlxA0021821; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:47:59 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 15:47:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87wrewixi2.fsf@gnus.org> Thread-Index: AcxQmX8hnIa1vbV5T/6IsGiv1CtoaQAAFjTw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4E372D29.00B9,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:49:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:49780 Archived-At: > Using the name of something isn't as good as using the thing > itself, in general. Depends what you cover by "in general". In general, it's a _good thing_ when functions let you use a buffer name in place of a buffer object. An object is not its name, and no one is arguing the contrary, but referring to an argument unambiguously by its name is no no-no. > For buffers it's usually handy to use the name and the buffer > object itself interchangeably, Oh really? Why is that, do you suppose? > but I don't see any reason to do the same with faces. Same reason, _exactly_. Convenience. There is nothing special about buffers in this regard. Yes, you can always do `(get-buffer bname)' to get the buffer object from its name, just as you can do `(face-name fname)' to get the face object from its name. But, as you say, it can be a lot handier not to have to do that each time. Code is littered enough with calls to `get-buffer' where the arg might be a string. Thank goodness (not badness) many functions are reasonable in this regard. Same exact reasoning holds for faces and their names. Convenience. FYI, below is a list of just those vanilla functions that actually declare in their doc strings that the arg can be a buffer or its name by naming it explicitly `BUFFER-OR-NAME'. As you can see, there are quite a few..., and many of them are very recent additions. There are no doubt other functions and macros that accept a buffer name but whose doc strings don't name the parameter `BUFFER-OR-NAME'. Why do you suppose so many functions do this? "Bad programmers" designed them? A little less hubris, please. bury-buffer delete-windows-on display-buffer display-buffer-normalize-options display-buffer-other-frame display-buffer-other-window display-buffer-same-frame display-buffer-same-frame-other-window display-buffer-same-window get-buffer get-buffer-create get-buffer-window get-buffer-window-list kill-buffer normalize-buffer-to-display normalize-buffer-to-switch-to normalize-live-buffer pop-to-buffer pop-to-buffer-other-frame pop-to-buffer-other-window pop-to-buffer-same-frame pop-to-buffer-same-frame-other-window pop-to-buffer-same-window replace-buffer-in-windows set-buffer set-window-buffer show-buffer switch-to-buffer switch-to-buffer-other-frame switch-to-buffer-other-window switch-to-buffer-same-frame with-current-buffer