From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22604: 24.5; (elisp) `Key Binding Conventions': what about other `C-c' keys? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 07:06:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <29ac44ad-3c5d-486e-abd7-a7ef70e906d1@default> References: <38cef267-d54f-40d5-9282-563615551367@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455030448 28411 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2016 15:07:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22604@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 16:07:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9so-0008KY-Rn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:07:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56873 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9sm-0003zW-QA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:07:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9si-0003zQ-1j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:07:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9sc-0007q8-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52829) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9sc-0007q4-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9sb-00062F-Uy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:07:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 15:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22604 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22604-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22604.145503042023192 (code B ref 22604); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 15:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22604) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2016 15:07:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9sa-00061z-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:07:00 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:23319) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aT9sY-00061n-Qw for 22604@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:06:59 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u19F6qHU027129 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:06:52 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u19F6ppW026912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:06:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u19F6pM5005803; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:06:51 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112800 Archived-At: > > This node mentions about keys following `C-c', but only `{', `}', `<', > > `>', `:', `;', control chars, digits, letters, and "other punctuation". > > > > What about keys `-', `+', `@', `#', `%', `^', `&', `*', `=3D', etc.? T= hese > > are not mentioned. >=20 > Aren't those covered by "other punctuation"? It certainly matches what > C calls punctuation characters. As I said, I would like to read it that way also. But there is no mention of C or punctuation in a programming language, and those are not usually considered punctuation in English etc., AFAIK. And then there is the punctuation syntax class - does it mean that these key conventions change, depending on which chars have punctuation status in the current syntax table? I would like the text to be a bit clearer about just what is meant, including whether the notion of "punctuation" here is meant to follow syntax class `.' (punctuation). The bug report asks that we make clear which character keys we mean. There may be other ones in other languages etc., but at least the usual such keys on a typical US keyboard should be considered (and so mentioned) as falling under what is said for "other punctuation". For example, Lars recently proposed, in bug thread 22172, to bind `C-c +' and `C-c -' by default. Making the doc clearer about this would preclude such a suggestion, as those keys would fall under the category of "other punctuation", which is reserved for minor modes.